Board Thread:Suggestions forum/@comment-25012056-20170502102450/@comment-25981649-20170503200531

Thindithron the Great wrote:

Dr Frankus wrote:

Gen. Grievous1138 wrote:

Sneaky184 wrote: I like most of these suggestions-epsecially the decreased spawn rate of Uruks- but i think the Half-Orc berserkers are a little too strong with strength and a weapon that deals 10 damage. I think they should deal 8-10 damage(Uruk berserkers do 5-7 according to the wikia page) and have the speed buff only. I think the diversity from these changes would make fighting with and against Isengard more fun so thanks for the ideas. That stat that Uruk Berserkers deal 5-7 is wrong. Uruk Berserkers use cleavers that do 8, one point better than the damage for the normal Uruk sword-type weapon. I did the same, but for a battleaxe.

+First Anon: That's correct.

+Second Anon: No, they weren't. Goblins in Tolkien's works are the same as Orcs, making goblin-men - which was only used by Hobbits to describe Half-Orcs in the books - Half-Orcs.

Gen. Grievous1138 (LOTR Mod Wiki Admin) comlink 10:11, May 3, 2017 (UTC) Ehm, I agree with Anon- Goblin-men and Half-orcs are notably different: Tolkien specifically stated:

"But these creatures of Isengard, these half-orcs AND goblin-men that the foul craft of Saruman has bred, they will not quail at the sun"

The Two Towers, LoTR Book 3, Ch 7 Helm's Deep

I understand the idea that Goblins are the english word for Orcs, however, Tolkien would never state two different things seperately- it'd be like calling geese and swans the same thing.

My biggest assumption is that half-orcs are more orc than man, and goblin-men only have a certain amount of Orcish blood in them, but that's up to debate- what's clear is that they were seperate. I'm afraid that must have been a misquote. The book is called The Lord of the Rings, not The Two Towers. The book is called The Two Towers, and is part of the Lord of the Rings as far as I am concerned- The Lord of the Rings covers Book I & Book II, while The Two Towers covers Book III and Book IV.