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Special Elf Friend wrote: Dragonovith wrote: Special Elf Friend wrote: Dragonovith wrote: High King Ithilion wrote: I don't complain about them being overpowered. I complain about them being non-canon, per usual ;P

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lómë) 00:03, April 6, 2017 (UTC) Saruman had bombs and wargs at his disposal, right? So technically he could put a bomb on a warg, and that's a pretty good idea if you think on it. But it would make more sense if there was a suicidal Orc riding the warg, to guide it. Where do people get the idea that Saruman had lots of bombs? The books only record him using one and if you look at real history, when gunpowder was invented, there weren't people(much less sucidal wargs) running around with bombs and torches. One bomb was enough to breach the Deeping Wall, why would he use more? If he wanted, I bet he could've landscaped the whole valley with explosives, but then he would've lost a huge fortress and strategic location. By the way, are we 100% sure that Saruman's blasting fire was gunpowder and not some other kind of sorcery? Why breach the wall in one place? He had enough troops to go through as many holes as he wanted. If he had two he should have used both. The more troops he got in at once, the less casualties he would have. And he didn't need a strategic location if he was going to wipe out Rohan.(besides, Isengard was a better or at least as good strategic location)

"If he wanted, I bet he could've landscaped the whole valley with explosives, but then he would've lost a huge fortress and strategic location." If that is true it shows that Mordor, at least, never had any bombs. Why haul Grond when you can just remove Minas Tirith off the map with a few thousand tons of explosives...? I haven't read the books in an while so very specific details are a bit hazy. Do we know if Saruman used only one bomb or if the Deeping Wall was breached in only one part? I really don't remember.

Maybe the Mordor bombs weren't capable of destroying walls? After all, the stuff used to destroy the Deeping Wall was invented, or at least enhanced, by Saruman. Also, hauling a huge battering ram like Grond from Mordor to Grond sends a clear message of intimidation, and I've also read on Tolkien Gateway that Grond was infused with spells of ruin.