Board Thread:Suggestions forum/@comment-27200931-20170510192310/@comment-25012056-20170512102328

LordArvedui wrote: The Morgul Lord wrote: LordArvedui wrote:

Minecraftmage113 wrote:

High King Ithilion wrote: Minecraftmage113 wrote: 207.197.8.2 wrote: Dr Frankus wrote: Dragonovith wrote: In my opinion the Easterlings of Rhúdel aren't as "barbaric" as the books pictures them. Not that we have a lot of info on the Easterlings, but I always imagined them being more evil than they currently are in the mod.

To increase the "evilness" of the Easterlings, I suggest this: change Easterling Farmhands to Easterling Slaves.

Is there a better way to say "These guys here are bad!" than showing fields being tended by oppressed slaves? Well, there is, but in the case of the mod, slavery is also a very good way to show the player that a faction is evil. As evil as keeping slaves might seem- lots of countries did it throughout the ancient and medieval ages- even 'enslaving' their own people! (Maybe not exactly called 'slaves', but serfs are nearly identical anyway..) wouldn't really doubt it if some of the 'Good' M.E. countries kept slaves themselves... stares down Rohan and GondorHowever, while I do agree that making the 'farmhands' slaves.. where would they come from? Definetly not Gondor, since they haven't been in open conflict yet, and Dale has no occupied land from Rhun- Dorwinion might work, but Rhun and them are neutral and perhaps even have trade among each other, and I believe that enslaving someone's people would resort to open conflict.

The current textures make it seem as though they are simply farmers, and with the current type of Civilization that the Golden Khaganate has, having willing farmers and farmhands / serfs in service doesn't seem implausible.

I honestly don't think you should make it so that it seems as though 'These guys here are bad!' with ANY human faction- since they really aren't, im sure your familiar with the quote by Samwise on the dead southron.

The Easterling were formerly enslaved by Numenoreans (probably making them extremely icky about that stuff, seeing as that would make their government hypocrites and would make the population a lot less willing to do what the government wants them to do), and have been plotting revenge on Gondor and Arnor ever since (except for the fact that if they didn't take revenge on Gondor they would have remained a prosperous and massively populous nation) Do you guys even LotR? Gondor would never keep slaves, nor would Rohan. Middle Earth is black and white. Rohan and Gondor were too noble to do that. Gondor has only taken over in Rhun and Harad before because they attacked them, and don't give me the, "Gondor attacked first!" crap. Numenor did, when it was being corrupted by Sauron. See the twist of irony here? Sauron had the Numenoreans attack and enslave Harad and Rhun, just to stir up tensions. So when the good faithful, who never performed such attrocities, made Gondor and Arnor, the problem was that Rhun and Harad saw this as just a continuation of the evil Numenoreans, not the Kingdoms of the Faithful. Stop saying Gondor is evil, it isn't. Period. yeah i am fairly sure almost all have, and as far as it being black and white think about tom bombadil, he is painted as the picture of pure along with goldberry, saving trapped wanderers (twice) arming them for their quest to defeat the dark lord, and yet there are still legitimate conspiricies about if he is in fact evil and was waiting for a chance to step in as dark lord when sauron was dead (or more likely in his eyes weakened as what could a hobbit do about someone as powerful as sauron) Those conspiracies are total BS. No substantive evidence to them tbh

@Hobit: Umbar and Harad attacked during the War of the Last Alliance.

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lómë) 00:29, May 11, 2017 (UTC) Those conspiracies are amazing. And yes there is, he controlled 2 evil creatures (wight and old man willow) implying evilness Neither are explicitly evil, and if he is the mortal form of Eriador that is no surprise. The barrow-wights were definitely evil. I should know. As represented in the mod, the Barrow Wights were wraiths cursed by the Witch Realm of Angmar, but hold no alliegance to Sauron. They attack anything and everything for a reason.

They weren't cursed by the Witch-King, they were created by him. They still held allegiance to him.

Gen. Grievous1138 (LOTR Mod Wiki Admin) comlink 10:23, May 12, 2017 (UTC)