Board Thread:Suggestions forum/@comment-31200097-20170602234523/@comment-26122855-20170720040038

Khan of Rhúdel wrote: KingTotalWar wrote:

Khan of Rhúdel wrote: Well High elven armours (both Lindon and Rivendell) should have around 16 armour points, so it would not be as tough as dwarven armour, that should also imply to galadhrim armour, there are still some Nóldor there, while Woodland Realm armour remains at 15 armour points as it is said to be weaker in lore. But swan knight armour is probably not as good as high elven and it makes sense to give it 15 armour points, or perhaps a bit higher durability. Also high elven armour shouldn't be given 17 armour points as an ancient version of it is already that strong (Gondolinian armour) and I'm pretty sure that the high elven smiths of the third age are not quite as skilled as those in the first age. I don't think durability really matters imo. I agree that swan knight armor shouldn't be as good as elvish armor, but it shouldn't be as bad as standard Gondorian. Swan Knights are supposed to the winged hussars for gods sake, they had heavy plate armor. It's so pathetic when a single black uruk can take on 3-4 swan knights. And yes I have tested that. Most servers restrict gear so it's not much of a fair fight. Especially when mordor players just spam black uruks. Well I agree they should have a bit better armour than normal gondor soldiers, but it is a man-made armour and smiths of men are amateurs comparing to elven smiths and if high elven armour gives 16 armour points then I guess if swan knights get such armour as well then it should have much less durability than any elven armour, which I believe it already has. That's where I'm stumped, how to make swan knight armor better without it being too good. But if we want to talk about how men weren't well known smiths. I would point out that uruk armor gives just as much protection as dwarvish armor. And I think anyone who has a brain will agree that orcs aren't good smiths. They make their gear so that it can be mass produced, not to outlast the enemy. I'll go back to one of my previous analogies. Orcs are like B1 battledroids in skill. Gondorians, and many of the good factions for that matter, are like the US military. Using good tactics and good gear. Southron armor was especially terrible, not that it should be made worse in the mod. I mean they're basically wearing tunics with bronze sewn onto it, if that in some cases. That's not to say it should be nerfed again in the mod, just some context to show all this isn't specifically directed at orcs, they're simply the largest of the ratio.