Board Thread:Suggestions forum/@comment-29212138-20170526182111/@comment-26149161-20170527014131

Dolgukhor wrote: High King Ithilion wrote: @Dol: We've rehashed this before. There's no concrete evidence to show any Numenoreans existed, at all, in Umbar. We are told repeatedly that the original inhabitants lost their Numenorean blood, the descendants of Castamir were slain to a man, and his followers married Haradrim and lost all their Numenorean descent. Tolkien went to great lengths to mention this, over and over again. He wouldn't have done that if he intended Numenoreans to still exist there.

@Kvesir: I'd love to see that quote, if you can find it.

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lómë) 01:18, May 27, 2017 (UTC) Yet we have The Mouth Of Sauron in which has no lorebacking of him being froma  community from Mordor The Mouth of Sauron is meant to be a mystery. But it seems clear that, wherever he is from, it is not Umbar, due to the great pains that Tolkien took to show there were none there.

Your first and second quotes are during the Second Age, and your third refers to the Haradrim.

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lómë) 01:41, May 27, 2017 (UTC)