Board Thread:General Mod Discussion/@comment-27860585-20160227122451/@comment-25754873-20160309142500

Catfishperson wrote: MrHobit1234 wrote: Why would he they where not bothering him so he could just bid his time and attack and one has to remember Khazad-dum fell to one Balrog while Gondolin fell to millions(thousands?) of orcs, hundreds of Balrogs and Dragons and the only reason why Angbad didn't fall sooner was the treachery of the easterlings 1. Not hundreds of balrogs, only 7 survived into the 1st age. (I know, there are some... discrepancies with earlier lore, but we can only count the latest)

2. This is not a lore discrepancy, but I find it to be unlikely that there were millions of orcs present at the fall of Gondolin, thats like, a lot. Thousands sounds better,

3. Dwarves were present and played a key role in the siege of Angbad too.

4. We cannot say "if it weren't for this Angbad would have fell," as the treachery of the Easterlings was counted on by Morgoth, and therefore was part of his stratagey. Even if the Easterlings had not betrayed the free peoples, we cannot assume Morgoth would have lost. He was still very powerful without them, and likely had a few tricks up his sleeve. It had said nothing would have availed him I will get the quote when I find my copy of the Silmarillion