Board Thread:Suggestions forum/@comment-28852094-20160720050444/@comment-28687263-20160724153443

Mumakil

I like the idea of it being immense or huge, despite the hot debate about whether it is founded on reality and what Tolkien said or not. Yet putting the argument (about what is lore-true) aside for a moment (just a moment people)... A bigger than a gondor fortress(or tower) or a dol amroth stable, six-tusked oliphaunt is not only really huge, but also would probably require a block crushing ability(which may be hard to do) so it may be able to "crash through trees" to be really useful. I mean, so what if you have an oliphaunt but the one place you can bring it is in the plains???

My point is, huge: awesome...but not only OP, but also maybe hard to implement.

The other thing is, to make the oliphaunt just African Elephant size wouldn't really capture the idea of it being immense and would may just give it an impression that it is just an elephant( or as others are pointing out, just elephant-sized)...Now I understand the idea of hobbits point-of-view where it is immense for "them" thus making it just normal sized for men...Still, the idea of a large (not huge anymore but still larger than the normal one) animal as a war-beast used by the southern factions is a great idea for anyone who is aligned to those factions. I mean, if you're gonna put some sort of tower up there(whether war-tower or just similar like), might as well create a beast a little if not a lot larger than the war-tower itself.... Thai's and Khmer civilizations in the past used war-elephants but didn't normally used them with archer-towers above but used them much more like foot-soldier crushers below.

My other point is, normal-sized: ok...but not really impressive if you're gonna put a war-tower or the like. If you're gonna make it normal size then just forget those war-towers in the books/movies....just make it a one-man non-shooting-just-crushing tank.

My third point, and idea, is first....make a poll whether or not people want oliphaunt/mumakil in the mod( I assume most would want but still)...then secondly, to make a poll of which size is it "good" not only from a lore-founded huge mumakil point of view but also from a realistic normal elephant size point-of-view and from a implementable point-of-view. Meaning, a concession from all of the three views... Now I understand that despite all of this, it is up to Mevans and the higher ups whether or not to implement it; whether we all agree or not on its size.

In short, try to lessen the debate (no offense intended) and find a "middle ground".....

Now I understand that some may say that this is what the debate is all about...to find a "right" size....all I am saying is that everyone may believe this source or that source is "right" so this size is "right"....rather than arguing who is more right.... Just state your "requirement" for a mumakil to be a mumakil is and argue the about the source later... SIMPLIFY the idea of what a mumakil is to you in a short sentence and gather all of those "requirements" and post it in a clear but enumerated list of ideas for everyone to see plainly(IN A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION)...instead of a long comment section for people to browse to. Whether or not we find a middle ground is what we are about to see.

Now ALSO some people may still fight for what they believe is right (which is good in itself) but what I am saying is, in the end, our love for this game is what it boils down to...do we like/love it enough to at least try some concession??

Annnnddd those are my not so short two-cents about mumakil