Thread:JayZX535/@comment-26094355-20160425230258/@comment-27170788-20160427193359

Maltalidenta Kwuitidherali wrote:

JayZX535 wrote:

Why do you say it's unrealistic to say that anything survives after death? Once someone dies, they can't exactly tell us what they are or aren't experiencing, can they? Could, then, we not have some eternal part of us that cannot be seen or felt by any physical means, that survives past the death of the body?

That's an interesting perspective on eternity-- I can't say I've heard one like it before. But you know, if there is an eternal aspect of mankind, then that would mean that everyone lives on in some way or another. So, even though everyone does die at some point, death would cease to be the end! It wouldn't just be watching the trials and sufferings of this world, but it would be a new beginning. So you wouldn't just be watching generation upon generation die. It would be watching them enter eternity. That's not quite the same as just watching them die, is it? It's unrealistic because everything disintegrates, and consciousness is contained within the mind; which, guess what, disintegrates. Thus, what makes you what you are even then isn't there. You're only making excuses with your "you can't prove otherwise" really, because, let's face it, I can place enough doubt as to debunk your "Mohammed is a pineapple because the Qu'ran doesn't say he isn't" argument. Of course, it isn't the same wording, but the reasoning is the same.

It would be watching them for eternity, sure, but if anyone and everyone lives on in the way you suggest then it isn't exactly even necessary for me to believe. Or, on the other hand, they do and your argument is void.

I find it interesting that you mention that, because isn't that what you're doing too? Only you're doing the reverse-- saying I can't prove that there is an eternal component, just as you can't prove that there ''isn't. ''Or am I incorrect in proposing this?

Not exactly. I was interacting with the basic concept of an afterlife that you suggested, and how it's not just watching everyone else die. My belief in the afterlife is a little more complicated than that.

I believe in Heaven and Hell, and that what you believe dictates where you go. Jesus said that "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life.  No one comes to the Father except through me." This verse makes it very clear that only those who believe in Jesus will be allowed to enter Heaven. Now, if your proposal on the afterlife is true, then yes, you're right-- what we believe would have no significance. We'd just pass on to another state of being that was different from the first. But if I'm correct, then what you believe has paramount eternal significance. What you believe could condemn you to an eternity of punishment.