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Eregnir Dalek wrote: This seems like a good idea to me. It should be more like Umbar though, where everyone is mostly natives with a pure-ish upper class. I doubt they'd be entirely destroyed or bred out. They should probably have more Moredain and Tauredain influences than Numenorean. There wasn't a Numenorean upper-class after the assault of Umbar by Hyarmendacil. They all died or, I would guess in the case of the Mouth, fled to Mordor.

Aran2 wrote: who says they stopped writing things down ? and if the tribe adopted much of the numenorean way of doing things then they might indeed have castles metalworking and a numenorean flavour over all. Adunaic could have become a language of the learned men and nobles(like latin). and i choose crossbows because they arent really used that much even though many peoples would likely prefer them over bows Well, the Black Numenoreans wouldn't likely have taught Adunaic to their slaves, and as they bred with the Haradrim, the knowledge would most likely be lost. Especially considering the highly uncivilized nature of the Morwaith.

If they did, other Haradrim would have done so too. They didn't have any great stone cities since the days of the Empire in the Second Age.

I'd suggest it would absorb into the local language and only remain as a few older words.

Crossbows weren't around in Middle-earth anyway. The Numenoreans used longbows made of Hollow Steel, but the making of such tech was lost after the Fall.

In any case, the conversation is a moot point. I entered the theorizing about this hypothetically. For  a semi-pure Numenorean faction who dislike Sauron to exist, the following need to happen:

- They survive the massive tidal wave against the coast. This we know is possible.

- They recant their god, and Sauron does not notice. His minions do not slaughter the rebelling BNs even though they do that to people who do not worship Sauron everywhere else. That is impossible, leading us to:

- The Numenoreans then survive three thousand years of strife with the evil factions in the area, fighting against native forces that far outnumber them and Numenorean forces with equal tech that also are more numerous than them.

- Beruthiel comes from this place, but is somehow originally evil and returns to the Shadow (???)

- Knowing that there is a good Numenorean faction in the north, the Numenoreans still do not return to their kin.

The notion is, imo, impossible. I think the only way we could have Numenoreans still around in Far Harad is a tiny, hardly-more-than-an-Easter-Egg town or fort in a remote mountain valley or on an island somewhere. All the others would have absorbed into the native population, died out, or killed one another.

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