Board Thread:General Mod Discussion/@comment-27200931-20170214212507/@comment-26322120-20170219022257

Gen. Grievous1138 wrote: Maltalidenta Kwuitidherali wrote: Gen. Grievous1138 wrote: Others said throughout the story that there are too few elves to take on Mordor. Ten thousand elves would be sufficient for that, I would think, so it therefore must be less. It's unknown, aside from Rivendell, how populated Lindon was at this point, but based on what Elrond has said one would presume not many. Lorien was able to fend off attacks, it was stated, because of the power of Nenya; but I was speaking of High Elves only anyway.

All we know of the numbers of Mordor was that they were exponentially greater than "tens of thousands" (I did botch that number the first time, I found my mistake looking up the next few numbers), and that they were enough to make Denethor, lord of tens of thousands of soldiers spread throughout Gondor (there were appx. 21,000 Gondorian soldiers at the Pelennor alone) believe that Mordor was so much more powerful that any attempt to fight them was hopeless. I would say that would, at the least, mean hundreds of thousands.

Gen. Grievous1138 (LOTR Mod Wiki Admin) comlink 00:47, February 19, 2017 (UTC) Ten thousand being able to take on what you describe as "easily millions" would be each one taking out one hundred orcs (not to mention not all Elves would be fit to fight). That's crazy. Also, suggesting that Galadriel alone with Nenya could fend off all of the Dol Guldur attacks is a little stupendous. Certainly, yes, it helped, but there had to be people there to defend, even, for instance.

Hundreds of thousands, perhaps, but to me, that suggests more around a hundred thousand or so - a lot, to be certain, and enough to take out Gondor perhaps, but not the millions advertised.

I would say Elves would have been that powerful, tbh. And I didn't mean to suggest it was Galadriel with Nenya alone - which is quite a bit stupendous - but it certainly was a large factor, and that without it the combined forces of Dol Guldur and Moria could have possibly won.

Gen. Grievous1138 (LOTR Mod Wiki Admin) comlink 01:12, February 19, 2017 (UTC) I don't think Nenya helped the elves that much tbh. It's abilities were "preserving magic and nature." As for the elves resisting Dol Guldur, they were in no position to make any kind of offensive move, it only would have been a matter of time before they were destroyed.