Thread:TheSquidychicken/@comment-31308946-20170525193032/@comment-26347028-20170531160352

TheSquidychicken wrote: Maltalidenta Kwuitidherali wrote:

TheSquidychicken wrote: Science states nothing cannot come fromsomething. It makes sense that God was here first. Then he made the earth he set the laws of science. Give me one reason why this is wrong. (seriously one small reason at a time and I will try to answer it) So whence came God? It makes no more sense for the universe to create itself than for God to. Again there were no laws of science before the world and the universe was created. When it was created (by God) the laws were set. Also God is outside of time. He was always there and always will be. Our human minds cannot understand infinite, so those who rejected the Bible and its laws and teachings came up with the theory of evolution.

Again God is outside of time He is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent, so He (compared to us) is a supernatural being. You believe in a supernatural beginning to the earth (nothing making something). But may I ask if nothing made something than why do we still have space? It is comepletely empty so why isnt anything happening up there? Why isnt air being created up there or why arent microorganisms evolving into space people?

If everything happened by accident why is the earth the perfect distance from the sun so it can support life? Why are the other planets in perfect unison with the sun as well? Why are we not flying out into space at this very moment? Why can we see when our eyes are so complex? Scientists cant even create water without blowing up everything! So how in the world did water happen by accident? Where did the micro organisms come from if they supposedly evolved into something bogger and better? Why dont monkeys talk? Why are animals not allowed in places like restaurants when they are just like us?

We supposedly evolved from a common ancestor by a series of mutations no? We see no evidence that mutations are good in any way! Flies have been mutated they grew two extra wings and they couldnt fly so they died. They have been experimented on multiple more times and each time the mutation killed them.

This is just one example. But how on earth did everything survive mutating time and time again when most of the time mutations kill you??? May I mention cancer? Cancer is a mutated cell! If we realy were evolving we would have died out "millions of years ago"

And then there is this. You ask where God came from. You doubt His existence because it contradicts what scientists say. "Scientists" have been wrong. They once called the earth flat. They once called the earth the center of the universe. These beliefs were the center of scientific studies in their day. And today we have evolution. It is the center of most scientific studies today. It could be wrong no? You will tell me no because of all the "evidence" but what I have seen is God-made natural processes and fake "links" that link us to a common ancestor. Austrolopithecus looks exactly like a monkey. It was probably a special kind of monkey that became extinct. Not a human ancestor.

And one more thing... God is not part of creation. Creation branches off of God. The book doesnt write itself. The building doesnt build itself. A painting doesnt paint itself.

Van gogh painted paintings. His paintings look different but have certain similarites because they have a common creator. The animals and humans of the world may look different but they have certain similarites. Why? No not because we all came from a single micro organism. Because we have a common creator. If we can't possibly understand it, why are you talking as if you understand it?

Think about time being zero, since space is zero. But there is no time for nothing, either. There is time for everything. This isn't supernatural, as indeed, it was entirely natural. This is directly within scientific understanding - how it was done is not understood, so such a claim would be supernatural, but this itself is understood.

"Accident". What you mean to say is "without a creator". There are more planets than you could imagine, more stars than you could imagine, with more possibilities for life than you could imagine. A possibility, no matter how small, given enough chance, will happen. As it has.

Monkeys do talk, as in, communicate. Their communication is nothing like ours, because they are incapable of it. I believe that's quite simple to fathom. But why, evolutionarily? There's no need for it. Simple as. Animals are, very much, not "just like us". But we aren't eternally special, either.

Mutations are not good, no, but that's why natural selection is a thing. Maybe do some actual research into what you're trying to disprove before dismissing it, eh? If a mutation is detrimental, it detriments the species as a whole, which causes it to die out relative to the more beneficial mutations, causing the beneficial mutations to carry on down the line and the specialisation allowing the species to better survive continues.

Cancer is one example of the bad side of such things. I'll try and explain, fairly simply, how cells try and avoid things like cancer. Put very simply, they kill themselves when things go wrong. Cancer requires the mutation to remove that aspect of the cell first, which is why it takes so long to occur, but occur it does nonetheless, of course. Whoever said mutations are only good is, indeed, mistaken. But it wasn't me.

Scientists have been wrong, yes, and the fact that we know they were wrong just proves the effectiveness of the scientific method in showing mistakes where they exist. Unluckily for you, the scientific method does not show mistakes where they do not exist, and so does not try and dispel the ancestors of the genus homo as "fake", indeed doing quite the opposite.

For the record, it was the Catholic Church that enforced the geocentric model of the solar system, as opposed to scientists being silenced for disagreeing, by the religious, no less.

Maybe the fossil looks like a monkey because, just like us, it's closely related to one? It walked on two feet, as we do, and so on, this isn't hard to talk about. We're as much a "monkey" as they were. I like your apathetic dismissal, however, showing just how little you really do know about this. If a "special kind" of monkey were made for a specific environment, with no change, as of course evolution is so completely wrong, why would it go extinct? Surely animals going extinct, yet biodiversity remaining, is in itself evidence of constant change in ecosystems, through methods such as evolution?

There is no difference between the lack of a universe creating a universe than the lack of a God creating a God. God does not transcend logic, either, unless you're suddenly wishing to tell me to throw away logic also when speaking of this?

You understand how crazy you sound, right? If they had a common creator, maybe you'd be able to draw similarities, but at the same time, if they had a common ancestor, you'd be able to draw similarities. You aren't proving anything, though, in fact, by saying such, you're rather proving a hypothesis that you need to be heavily indoctrinated to believe such statements, to the extent perhaps that one might believe such statements to be true as you just made.