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Gandalfthegreatestwizard- EpicMithrandir wrote: Solelfar wrote: Awesome suggestion! Finally, someone who understands Tolkien! :D

And Gandalf, yes, most of Tolkien scholars agree on the fact that Tolkien stigmatized industrialition and all of the problems it induced. Some might call him a reactionary, but the fact is that he merely affectioned nature; he spent most of his childhood in the countryside in Sarehole.

Nature always wins in the Lord of the Rings, whereas the great industrial powers, Mordor and Isengard, end up being destroyed by nature - ents, eagles, collapsing floor, and the kingdoms of men, which are part of nature. Collapsing floor? Eagles? Men? Mordor was destroyed by Hobbits, both Frodo and Sam, and Gollum who finished the deed. The collapsing floor thing happened in the movies. The Eagles and Men were really powerless to defeat Sauron, all they did was keep the attention of the Eye (which probably would have not watched its own land after his servants' defeat at the Pelennor).

Any scholar might agree on anything, but that doesn't change the fact that there is no definitive proof of Mordor being based on industrilization. All this suggestion can have is theories, which is unfortunately exactly what a large number of people want, and what the admins want to endorse.

"During the War of the Ring, the Army of the West, numbering under 6,000 men,[2] arrived at the Black Gate with the intention of drawing the Eye of Sauron away from Mount Doom, to allow Frodo the Ringbearer to cast the One Ring into the Crack of Doom within it. This they achieved, and the Ring was destroyed in the fires of Mount Doom, following which the Black Gate and the Towers of Teeth immediately collapsed." -Tolkiengateway

We're here talking about symbolic. Hobbits lived in harmony with nature. Eagles played little role indeed but they came to rescue the world of men and finally helped defeating Mordor. Maybe Tolkien did not intend to represent all of this. He himself declared that he hated allegories. However it is known that Tolkien hated industrialization. Thus we can represent Mordor as an "industrial" power.