Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-33719810-20171122020843/@comment-26149161-20171126144014

KingTotalWar wrote:

Recneps wrote: No, cfp, corruption in SW isn't what causes the power. The power comes at a cost of corruption, when misused. Also, the Ring draining physical strength is just because life is limited, for the species that used it. They couldn't continue to live at full strength. And Vader would honestly accept the Ring's corruption wholeheartedly, as he did with the Dark Side. Of course, as this corruption also has, quite literally, a mind of its own.. Vader may just cease to be Vader, just as he ceased to be Anakin. Vader with the ring would be terrifying tbh. One of the most powerful dark siders ever and now he can bring entire civilizations to heel just with a flick of his wrist? And yeah, he would accept the corruption of the ring, that wouldn’t be very different from the dark side, but with the ring, he could probably overthrow Palpatine himself, no one would stop Vader. Even if Sauron rematerialized, I don’t think he’d be able to control Vader. In the books we know that Sauron is terrified when Aragorn reveals himself to him because he fears that Aragorn is strong enough to use the ring without being taken over. Sauron might come back, but Vader doesn’t like loose ends, he would likely return to annihilate him as soon as he heard that he’d returned.

As for “well Eru and the Valar would step in,” well firstly, they didn’t do anything when Sauron tried to take over the world twice, second this was supposed to be a 1v1 not armies against each other, and third, even if we do pit armies against each other, uhhhh, the empire has billions of troops, ships the size of entire cities, massive tanks, and advanced technology in general. I mean seriously, that’s comparing broadswords to E-11 blasters, if you think some dude from 1100 A.D. is going to beat a dude with future tech, that’s just stupid. No one of lower spiritual level could withstand Sauron's dominating power when he was face to face with them and trying to dominate them--that's explicitly stated in a letter of Tolkien's. Vader would be crushed in mind and will, and be reduced to a gibbering slave. His "lack of fear" would be worthless--Sauron doesn't need fear. He can dominate your mind and crush your spirit. And if by some chance Vader got the ring without Sauron attempting to stop him (Sauron did not fear his own ring, and would still annihilate Vader), he wouldn't be able to destroy Sauron. Vader wouldn't be mentally able to destroy the ring, his lure to power would corrupt him utterly, and he would become a shadow of Sauron, a weaker Dark Lord, eventually fading to nothingness.

Eru didn't step in because there was a way for the inhabitants of Middle-earth to deal with them. If Eru's own creation was threatened beyond hope of mortal defense, the Valar would lay down rulership of the world, and Eru would intervene. He would not suffer his creation to be destroyed.

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