Board Thread:Suggestions forum/@comment-26863727-20150807030230/@comment-26347028-20160830144608

Celeborn of Lothlorien wrote: You do know that hte avari are the part of the elves than fled in absolute terror from Oromë? Not to mention the fact that most of them were kidnapped by Morgoth, I don't think there would be very many left, just very very small communities with so little material that I don't think they would be able to refine metals to a proper level. Maybe some crude bronze or iron blades but no more. Now that right there is fairly blatantly false. They did not flee from Oromë, they simply ignored him. They weren't all kidnapped by Morgoth; and even if a few were, if you do the numbers they're massive compared to the other elven realms in population, so unless massive amounts of them leave every single year (highly doubtful) or Morgoth annihilated them for no reason (even more doubtful, and would certainly have been mentioned in the Silmarillion), else, really, you can't claim there are few. This is half of the Nelyar and Tatyar we're talking about here; the same size as the Noldor before Fëanor plus population growth, and the whole of all of the Sindar, Nandor, Laiquendi, etc., combined (the Nelyar split into two, as did the Tatyar, thus the half that remained is the same as the half that left) so I really don't get how you're saying they're small.

Also, if they're even as small as you say, while not being as great as the Noldor in craftsmanship, they're described to be about halfway between in lore. I would certainly place bronze and iron as well below that, let alone calling them crude. Heck, it's probable that they had a trading relationship with the Dwarves, and surely that would provide better than iron, would it not?