Board Thread:General Mod Discussion/@comment-26371213-20150704180818/@comment-26371213-20150705172508

Gen. Grievous1138 wrote: Sinthoniel wrote: LordDainTheAwsome wrote: Yes! It should take at least 3 Mordor orcs to take one down! No it shouldn't. Only because the soldiers of Gondor are shown to be very strong and good equipped in most adaptions, doesn't mean it's true. I think only very good fighters could win against 3 orcs at once.

The soldiers of Gondor were better than the orcs of Mordor, but not much. In the mod, both have nearly equal stats, but orcs get significant debuffs in the sunlight. It's obvious that Mordor has a great advantage during the night, but it's noting more than to be equally strong as Gondor. In addition to that, there are orc skirmishes, able to break Mordor armies even before the battle has started.

The great effectiveness of the army of Gondor was not just becasue the troops had better quality but also because they had good leaders, good morale and good strategies. In most battles, they defended fortifications (Osgiliath, walls of Minas Tirith) or surprised the enemy (Faramir's ambush, Aragorn's arrival and the counterattack of Dol Amroth during the Battle on the Pelennor Fields). He's quite right. When one orc skirmishes, then EVERY orc within a hundred blocks joins in.

Gen. Grievous1138 (admin) comlink 16:54, July 5, 2015 (UTC) I agree though I think hired units do not do this am I right? If so then that would negate this weakness in the orc lines since only organized (yes a rabble will do) led by a commander would not do this. In real orc armies I imagine that skirmishes were common even with a dreaded commander.