Board Thread:Suggestions forum/@comment-29212138-20170526182111/@comment-26633547-20170526230139

MrHobit1234 wrote: What part of swiftly dwindled and 3,000 years do you not understand?

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"Castamir came with a navy of guess what "Men" not women makes sense for them to interbred"

Ahh, why thank you for agreeing with us that there were no Black Numenoreans in Umbar! Confused? You see he did come with a navy with men. So please explain why they did not take Black Numenorean wives? I mean, they just fought a civil war over the King not being pure blooded. If there were Black Numenoreans in Umbar they would have had children with them right? Also, Umbar was controlled by the Haradhrim during the WotR(ultimately Sauron but that is besides the point). You do realise that "Haradrim" is a loose term, right? Anyone who lives on the continent of Harad can be considered "Haradrim" and given how little the demographics and culture of Umbar were discussed by Tolkein we are only left to assume.

Most people do agree that the Adunaic language is still being used in Umbar (Tolkein's handwrites specify that there was another language derived from classical Adunaic that the Black Numenoreans used up to the 3rd age that was clean of Quenya influence, and it was dubbed "Black Adunaic"). I don't have the specific quote on this but I can tell you that even if the Black Numenoreans dwindled and mixed with the Haradrim their culture remain dominant in Umbar. A good example of this is the tradition of Duumvicracy, which was tradition of pairing monarchs in couple, and this tradition dates back to the Black Numenoreans and even after Castamir's conquest his sons reigned over Umbar in couples (like Angamite and Sangahyado).

And what is a people's identity if not its culture? Even if they lost the purity of their blood when they mixed with the Haradrim, the fact that those traditions remained indicates that the people of Umbar still felt connected with their Black Numenorean ancestry.

And yes, obviously there had to be a Black Numenorean cummunity SOMEWHERE in the 3rd age, otherwise where did the Mouth of Sauron come from?