Talk:LOTR Mod Official Server/@comment-67.197.167.181-20151129203523/@comment-27324018-20151215143110

Long story short, Numenor conquered Umbar and Umbar's ruler Kvesir pledged allegiance to Numenor. Thain_Vibiras of the Shire was also made co-ruler of Umbar. However, Kvesir was really spying for the Dark Council and Numenor soon "kicked him out." Now the Dark Council recognizes Kvesir as Lord of Umbar, and Numenor recognizes Thain_Vibiras. Both have fortresses and/or cities there, so both have real power. I personally feel that Numenor should just let Kvesir have Umbar, but I don't have enough say in the Numenorean governments to make that happen.