Board Thread:General Mod Discussion/@comment-27200931-20170214212507/@comment-26149161-20170216231641

"The great cape and land-locked firth of Umbar had been Numenorean land since days of old; but it was a stronghold of the King’s Men, who were afterwards called the Black Numenoreans, corrupted by Sauron, and who hated above all the followers of Elendil. After the fall of Sauron their race swiftly dwindled or became merged with the Men of Middle-earth, but they inherited without lessening their hatred of Gondor. Umbar, therefore, was only taken at great cost. "

Here's a book quote for you. As you can see, the Numenoreans dwindled quickly, until none remained by the time of the Wainriders or so.

However, in my research I have discovered four things that Mevans would do to take note of:

1. There was more than one "Near Haradrim" kingdom, located beyond Umbar. Several subfactions of the Near Haradrim shuld suit that well, including some located further south.

2. At least one of those kingoms was seafaring, like the Corsairs--there were several havens from which the Haradrim set forth.

3. The location of the "Half-trolls" is not exactly conducive to them being at the Pelennor Fields. Furthermore, the "Half-trolls" were really just black Men from the south, not the wierd hybrids of the mod. Renaming the faction to Troll-men and making them a hostile tribe of Men would fit far better.

4. The Black Numenorean settlements in Harad were mostly killed off or integrated, Therefore, I suggest that there either be no Black Numenorean faction, or that they be a very small and weak one.

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lome) 23:16, February 16, 2017 (UTC)