Board Thread:Suggestions forum/@comment-26429944-20180208085334/@comment-26149161-20180217210343

Drac0.S01.WV wrote: Oh, for crying out- I'm not arguing that Black Numenoreans died out, but that if they forsook Sauron, then are they still Black Numenorean? If they are not, then they could very well have continued. Yes, their commoners wouldn't be Numenorean (or at least very much), but there could be some nobles with pure-ish (10% - 50%) Numenorean.

... After rereading Ithilion's response to Aran2, I have some counter points:

1. Yes they wouldn't have the same tech level as Numenor, but still far superior to the Far Haradrim.

2. The Morwaith (as far as I know) where not under control of Sauron until much latter.

3. The Tauredain (or whatever their new name is) was still in the early stages of its collapse & wouldn't be doing much of anything apart from fighting the Morwaith.

4. The Cerenim (spelling?) where either still forming in the cult's war, or where still most like the Morwaith & very fragmented & weak.

5. The Southrons (Near Haradrim) where to far away & likely fighting the Umbarians.

6. Umbar was so far away that they 1) might not even know that the Repentants (for lack of a better name) even live in the far south, 2) were rebuilding at the same time as them, & 3) where fighting with Gondor latter.

7. The other suggested Factions may or may not be hostile to them or not, but 1-2 factions (likely still quite weak) isn't enough to completely destroy them.

8. 1 Tolfalas sized island (or even half Tolfalas's size) with a biome they call home to is most certainly good enough as long as their a fleshed out faction (structures, Npcs, soilders/militia, equipement, etc.).

9. They're so far from Gondor that they likely don't even know of it's existence. Yeah, I'm giving a *hypothetical* response to what would have happened if some did turn to the good. In reality, there's absolutely no way they would survive.

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2. The Morwaith were under the sway of Sauron around this time, and when he fell after the Last Alliance still held to his banner.

3. The Taurethrim had collapsed into civil war before the second half of the Second Age, and were at this point essentially irrelevant.

4. idk what was going on with the Cerinrim in the early Third Age, or even if they existed yet. But they wouldn't be friendly towards Numenoreans no matter what.

5. They were fighting with the Umbarians, not against them.

6. But there were many Black Numenorean colonies in Harad. These would surely eradicate any rebels.

7. The Morwaith are a great people, if entirely disunited, and furthermore, with the many Black Numenorean colonies, survival for repentant Dunedain would be hopeless.

8. I think Nan Curunir is the smallest landmass any faction can legitimately exist in while having randomly generating structures. Otherwise, there aren't enough buildings to go around. That being said, an entirely irrelevant and pitifully weak descendant faction of *one* of the evil BN colonies could work that way--having a single major structure and nothing else to live in.

9. Doubtful--it was colonized by the Faithful long before Numenor fell.

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lómë)