Board Thread:Suggestions forum/@comment-31382381-20170225024029/@comment-26210095-20170302014345

High King Ithilion wrote: It's never explicitly said it survived, and Umbar is probably still counted in the West, being a Numenorean stronghold we know quite a bit about. We know the Numenoreans delined and merged rapidly, and the Haradrim took over the city. Therefore, it is by far the most likely that there were none left.

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lome) 01:38, March 2, 2017 (UTC) It's right on the fringe of our known knowledge. I agree, the 'burden of proof' if on those who support Pro-Numenorean Umbar, but it's never explicitly said that it's not, leaving room for in-Mod additions that don't diverge on the canon, but rather expand upon it. As I said, perhaps there were Black Numenorean Governors sent by Sauron, and/or the line survived there in a VERY weakened state. That's all conjecture, obviously, but I would like to see it added into the mod.