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High King Ithilion wrote: Recneps wrote:

High King Ithilion wrote: I see nothing at Tolkien Gateway saying they were anything more than elephants. They were probably African Elephant-sized. These were never used in IRL warfare, but you could fit "what seemed a very war-tower" (obviously not really a wartower) on top of one. And a human looks small compared to an African Elephant. The huge ears also fit.

I'd say we have an animal that fits the description.

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lome) 20:25, July 20, 2016 (UTC) Wrong. From the very same page that Warpig got his quote of: "Big as a house, much bigger than a house, it looked to him, a grey-clad moving hill. Fear and wonder, maybe, enlarged him in the hobbit’s eyes, but the Mûmak of Harad was indeed a beast of vast bulk."

- Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit

I got my own quote.. "Big as a house, much bigger than a house, it looked to him, a grey-clad moving hill. Fear and wonder, maybe, enlarged him in the hobbit’s eyes, but the Mûmak of Harad was indeed a beast of vast bulk, and the like of him does not walk now in Middle-earth; his kin that live still in latter days are but memories of his girth and majesty."

- Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit If the ones that live now are just memories of its immense size.. It must've been much bigger than them. This could just as easily be-in fact, it probably is- saying that in Middle-earth after the Third Age their size shrank. That quote doesn't refer to this Mumak being larger than today's elephants.

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lome) 22:32, July 20, 2016 (UTC) as of what i remember tolkien intendeed his works to be a history book like thingy or mythologi(cant remember which one). so he could say that the mumaks where way larger ancestors of todays elefants.