Board Thread:General Mod Discussion/@comment-27860585-20160227122451/@comment-25841881-20160319230334

Auraestus wrote: Maltalidenta Kwuitidherali wrote:

7777c wrote:

Catfishperson wrote: Again, I'm going to bring up the point that Gondolin was a better fortress then anything the dwarves ever made. Firstly It is completly annhilated secondly that was only one fortress the dwarves had basically better defenses than most elvish fortresses AND Elves can be more corrupted/bribed than Dwarves  As Maeglin a fellow elf betrayed the location and resulting in the slaughter of many Firstly, it's a wonder is survived so long. "Basically," yet again, you neglect the fact that the only true fortresses are made of stone, and therefore Noldorin. And since the Noldorin are Calaquendi, cities like Tirion would be far better than any Dwarven carving. It is nigh impossible to corrupt or bribe an elf, the only example being Eöl. You can't take the one man's descendants to be evidence of the rest. Each has its perks, but might i add an army of 100,000 couldnt breach the gates of Erebor. An army of 100,000 isn't much compared to what it took to take down Gondolin, at least in the Book of Lost Tales version. It took a traitor, and then quite a few balrogs(Less, by Silmarillion), a large amount of Orcs, and then all of the other monsters created for it, like the fiery things, and the troop-transport-serpents.