Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-28593934-20170309220411/@comment-28593934-20170310205316

High King Ithilion wrote: NightsOfDarkness wrote: High King Ithilion wrote: LOTRMod wrote: @High King Ithilion - Plate armour in the mod is not an error. I also have to remind you that it's not you who's making this mod, and I don't mean that to sound rude, but, well, you're not. Even if your ideas for the mod are quite close to our vision.

 We're all very aware by now that mail would be more canonically accurate. But that does not mean we are mistaken in including plate armour. Ultimately, it's up to me (and the rest of the mod team). If we want to have some armours styled as plate, whether that's for more variety, or using what has been called 'the resonance of high fantasy', or even if it's just how we'd like it to be - it's our decision.

And the community of people who follow this mod have such a wide range of desires, of ideas for where we should take the mod, what we should prioritise - it's not easy to cater to everyone at once. Let alone what we want for our project.

But to address those concerned about 'lore accuracy': I do think that including the 'wrong' kind of armour texture is much less egregious a deviation than some things done by other adaptations. And what's more, if people don't like the plate armour - by all means use a texture pack to change it! That's what they're for, after all. Thank you for the reply, Mevans.

I don't mean "error" as in an accident or mistake of the team's. I mean it as something unsupported by Tolkien's universe. I am also aware it isn't my mod, and I am simply trying to offer my best advice.

Yes, and I don't imply fault of yours. In fact, I note much of the armor has been turning towards mail, something for which I am most grateful. The inclusion of plate armor, is, of course, ultimately your own decision, and not I or anyone denies that. It is my attempt to, one might say, nudge the armor in the direction of mail, but it is as I say your decision.

Yes to this as well. The team certainly has to cater to many groups of people, and it is difficult to anwser to them all. Perhaps a compromise can be reached, though? A Movie-based, official Texture Pack for those who enjoy the films as opposed to the books might be advisable, and could help settle the debate.

There are certaily far worse things that could be added, which I am of course thankful for that they haven't been. However, as for texture packs, I would say this: Would it not make more sense to make the lore-based armors be the Mod texture,a nd the Movie textures the pack? That way, we stay true to the canon as a mod, but people have the option of using a movie version.

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lome) 20:12, March 10, 2017 (UTC) The Lord of the Rings community is somewhat made up of people that Only watched the movies. For example, if a player were to find a Gondorian Armor set like in your texturepack they would be very confused and ask "why does this not look like the moives?" Also for Rohirric, Galadhrim, Uruk-Hai, Mordor, Arnorian, High-Elven armor sets they would also be confused. Also when people think of fantasy they think of Knights in Shiny Plate armor hence why Gondorian, High-Elven, Galadhrim, Black-Uruks, Arnorian, Rohirric and other factions have plates because its common for everything to look shiny and platey. People dont like chainmail because it makes the person wearing it look Dull and Boring.

Also cross-bows are exciting to use and since they were seen by the Uruk-Hai using them in the Battle of Helms-Deep (Moive) Perhaps Mevans thought it would be a great idea (I also think its a great idea).

Also I may seem like I do not like chain but if its used approiately I'am perfectly fine with it, such as Dale, Mordor, Angmar, Dunlending, Rangers of the North, Wood-Elven, Uruk-Hai ,and Galadhrim. Yeah, it is made up of people who have only watched the movies. But should we limit ourselves to Peter Jackson's interpretation, or try to decipher Tolkien's. I bring up the M&B mod, TLD, who early-on decided to use no Movie-based armors. They are currently considered the best mod for Mount and Blade, are incredibly popular, and their units look stupendous. We don't *need* shiny plate armor to attract people, so long as armor looks good and interesting.

Crossbows are a whole nother matter, but since we have no mention of them, I would say the same thing: we cannot support them lore-wise. At least the Uruk-hai we *know* didn't use them, as they used great longbows of Yew.

You missed Rohan :P. And why not use it appropriately for all the other factions? It can look excellent, easy, we just need to try it.

@Mevans: Yes, that makes sense. We should certainly display the packs more prominently.

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lome) 20:46, March 10, 2017 (UTC) I feel as if only Near-Harad, Galadhrim (One in Lyrs' suggestion), and maybe just Dorwinion armor are the only ones that would suit chain.