Thread:High King Ithilion/@comment-30303386-20180105014529/@comment-26149161-20180105033203

FutureFox wrote: Gen. Grievous1138 wrote: >Attempts to school the foremost lore expert on the wiki in lore

Berkserkers were in the books in the form of Half-Orcs, as I'm sure Ithilion will tell you himself in greater detail.

Gen. Grievous1138 (LOTR Mod Wiki Admin) comlink 02:08, January 5, 2018 (UTC) Ah. I have not actually read the books past rivendell and a part of the silmarillion

Jk, but you should read the books :^P

Grievous is semi-right. It's foremost important to understand that, in the books, the actual origin of the Uruk-hai is entirely unknown. They might be Orcs mixed with men, men mixed with half-orcs, or just a new race of Orc. I tend to favor the second, since it distinguishes them from one group we do know something about.

That group is the elite Axemen of Isengard. They are mentioned in Unfinished Tales, and are said to be man-high and mail-clad, wielding great axes, and are either Orcs or Orc-Men. I would theorize these are of the same kin as the Ruffians in the Shire and the goblin-man spy. They are actually dispatched for the sole purpose of killing Theodred, which they succeed in. This is the closest we get to to "berserkers" of the film, and are noticably different in their apparent similarities to Men, their axes, and their armor.

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lómë)