Board Thread:General Mod Discussion/@comment-26486187-20160925013413/@comment-25661985-20160925185124

Catfishperson wrote: A couple things I would like to clear up:

1. Gondolin wasn't actually that powerful. It was just a singal city. It's main advantage was that it was hidden, but once Morgoth learned its location, he sacked it pretty easily.

2. Utumno did actually survive a pretty long time, and it wouldn't have fell so easily I think had it not been the host of Valinor assaulting it. However, I counted it and Angbad as the same in my list.

3. Gondor, (even when combined with Arnor) was never more powerful then Mordor at its height.

4. If the elven exiles of the first age can be considered a singal, united kingdom, they would place much higher on my list. How about Gondor at the age of Ship-kings meet Mordor at its height?