Talk:The Second Age Server/@comment-28794147-20160730181924/@comment-29095449-20160731124827

The map you're currently looking at is heavily outdated. Much has been changed since, the picture here on the wikia is from one of the first days of the page, to show people what we were doing. By now the forests of Dunland is much bigger than what you can see, as well as other biomes being changed. East Bight has shrinked quite a bit as well, given the area wasn't that much cut down in the early-mid Second Age.

I've corrected the Dorwinion description as it clearly is a mistake that Númenoreans lived in Dorwinion as well as made the Dunland description a bit more describing. The reason we decided to call it Dunland was because we couldn't come up with a more fitting name people would recognise, even though the "Dunlendings" wouldn't be called that to my knowledge, until much later. Nonetheless, some things has to be made compromised when they lack enough information as well as making them more easily recognised among regular players.

Gundabad did indeed exist as a faction back then, they were all the orcs fleeing to the East to the Misty and Grey Mountains and alike after the destruction of Angband and Beleriand. At first one wouldn't describe them as "Gundabad" orcs, as they didn't live in Mt. Gundabad in the early Second Age. However, in the Mid-Second Age they took over Mt. Gundabad (see Fall of Mount Gundabad). Even though we start a few years before this happened, we decided to make it simple and call the faction; Orcs of Gundabad already.

Best regards, mikkelkagen