Board Thread:General Mod Discussion/@comment-25754873-20170807015640/@comment-30238907-20170830141809

High King Ithilion wrote: No, it was the nearest Haradrim kingdom. They will be a subfaction.

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lómë) 14:06, August 30, 2017 (UTC)

Ok so I just did some research on Umbar to refresh my knowledge of it and while I can understand an Umbar subfaction I do not see why it should be one. If there are going to be Cerinrim and Limwaith who are just scattered people's as factions shouldn't a far more civilized kingdom such as Umbar get its own faction? Either way I'm fine with it.

One question though if Umbar is a subfaction. Will they receive their own armor, banner, bricks, and weapons? Because if they end up just the current southrons living in an Umbar biome I will cry.