Board Thread:News and Announcements/@comment-25012056-20170711003730/@comment-25754873-20170714230929

Gen. Grievous1138 wrote: Thindithron the Great wrote: Gen. Grievous1138 wrote: Thindithron the Great wrote: Gen. Grievous1138 wrote: Thindithron the Great wrote: I feel that it should be made at least partly clear on the Utumno page that though it is in the mod for gameplay purposes, it does not actually exist anymore. Currently the page is very unambiguous in saying that it does exist, and I believe that a little ambiguity would serve not to mislead players as to its actual state in lore, and assauge the annoyance of lore purists like myself. So we can continue to pretend it doesn't exist in the mod. I would, with your consent, Grievous, change the paragraph in question:

"Over millennia the ruins survived, far in the north beyond any that yet live. Very few even know of its continued existence, or even believe that it could have survived so long; much less could tell where it lies. But an explorer brave and resourceful enough can learn that it is not indeed a myth, nor was it ever completely destroyed. Of those who leap into the darkness below, next to none can hope to find a way out; but if any do go and live to tell the tale, it would surely be a tale of warning."

to:

"Over millennia some say the ruins survived, far in the north beyond any that yet live. Very few even entertain the notion of its continued existence; much less could tell where it lies. But an explorer brave and resourceful enough could discover whether or not it is indeed a myth, or if it was ever completely destroyed. Of those who leap into the darkness below, next to none can hope to find a way out; but if any do go and live to tell the tale, it would surely be a tale of warning."

No. Enough of this bullshit. This is the history of the factions of the mod, and not a place to complain about what you think shouldn't be in the mod. I'm reverting your edit. This is how it played out in the mod. There is no question that it exists in the mod. Enough is enough. This is a warning. The next will be a temporary ban.

Gen. Grievous1138 (LOTR Mod Wiki Admin) comlink 12:16, July 14, 2017 (UTC) First and foremost, I made no edit. I came here and asked for your permission first, because I knew it was something you would feel strongly about.

This is not part of a 'tired and unnecessary campaign'. No, it's just my natural tendency to want things to be at least semi-correct. You think that if we make this small edit to a history section- plausibly filled with lore- it will somehow get me closer to removing Utumno for the mod? For all your vaunted powers to ban people, you haven't thought about this much.

It is quite clear from all of the page that Utumno exists. I am fine with that, but I want the history sections to be as accurate as possible.

Besides, changing the passage can't hurt you in any way. Utumno still exists, that is clear to the reader. The mod lore history can still be there, just in a speculative manner. Everybody wins!

It's not speculative at all in the mod, and it shouldn't be on the page.

Gen. Grievous1138 (LOTR Mod Wiki Admin) comlink 21:03, July 14, 2017 (UTC) It won't be speculative on the page, except in the history section. Everywhere else it will be clear that Utumno exists.

It should be clear in the history too. This is a mod wiki, not Tolkien Gateway.

Gen. Grievous1138 (LOTR Mod Wiki Admin) comlink 22:15, July 14, 2017 (UTC) I think that it is pretty clear on the wiki that Utumno exists...