Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-27912807-20170428183448/@comment-26172435-20170428213948

Hmm ... as I had been reading the Lost Tales last year, the strong notion that kept on lingering in my head was the one of the dwarves being designed by Aulë long before Ilúvatar granted Aulë's beloved breed his fëar and woke them to life. I don't recall the exact timeline and as I read the LOTR, Silmarillion and Hobbit all about 10-15 years ago and only read derived stories since ... I sometimes confuse all earlier and later readings. Nonetheless, after reading all the considerations in the preceding posts, I got the notion that possibly maybe Melkor may sneakily have overseen the works of Aulë and, during The Great Darkness, used his relatively limited insights and the 'material' available to him of elves, dwarves and animals (created by Yavanna Kementarí, and also partially corrupted by himself), to mess around and 'create' his basic goblins. Only later on, Melkor and his apprentice Sauron would continue to perfect their perversions by adding the hildor to their multibreeds to create hobgoblins and the like. In the early days, Melkor could not make 'use' of men, that's for sure, but besides avari, úmanyar and kelvar, the casar, dwarves, were also 'available' to corrupt. As these were not initially a design by Ilúvatar, they had limited life-span and specific capabilities that distinguished them from the elves.

When pondering this a little bit more, I can only wonder why dwarves are not mentioned as suspect source material for Melkors abominations of Ilúvatars children ... they were there, asleep and awaiting their awakening while Melkor controlled most of the north of Arda and he had quite some time to copy the design of Aulë, the vala who was most alike him, ... but he needed fëa ... and this is where the children come into play.

Why? Just because Tolkien never thought of it (... since he deviated from his original notion that dwarves were indeed created by Melkor (!)), or is there some obvious notion somewhere in the later legendarium that would lead to clear dismission of the notion that Melkor would have been able to capture and corrupt dwarves to create goblins? I couldn't find such obvious notions anyway ... or it would have been like 'Melkor couldn't find them as they were digging their holes'. To me, putting dwarves in the mix would at least counter the notion of Melkor corrupting the eternal flame of elven life, as dwarves did not have it and neither do orcs.

Please, slap me hard and put this notion out of my head as soon as possible, with the obvious argument I have been looking for in past two hours ... or seriously consider this and provide some additional insights that may support this or similar thoughts regarding Melkors orc breeding during The Great Darkness.