Board Thread:Suggestions forum/@comment-27718380-20160105200730

Well, this is mainly me getting at people who think the Avari are pretty bad fighters with even worse equipment and numbers.

1. They can work metal, they just aren't fancy etc, and the quality isn't amazing. This doesn't stop them from having metal tools.

2. Some have had since the awakening to perfect their abilities, or nigh on it. My point is, many of these Avari are truly ancient and even the least of their skill from practise would surpass many a man.

3. Half of the Noldor, and half of the Teleri were what was left behind to become the Avari. This makes them the biggest of the elf clans, and if we consider what the Sindar became even separated from their Falmari brethren, add them together in numbers with the Noldor and you get a truly huge number. That is roughly comparable to what the Avari would be.

So, in order, the Avari have decent - not terrible as many seem to think - weaponry, are very skilled in their crafts - the most skilled apart from Calaquendi I'd say, and they have the largest populace of all the elven realms, more than double the Noldor in the First Age as we have to factor in growth. This therefore means they have perhaps a population similar to Gondor's even. My suggestion is that we should by no means make the Avari underpowered, but they would require one heck of a lot of alignment to venture out of their forests, and probably a fair bit of silver. 