Board Thread:Suggestions forum/@comment-31507215-20170415135545/@comment-26553378-20170416174510

Recneps wrote: Ehhh.. Gold Armour is civilized. They had to be able to work the material, which is far from simple. Blowguns also are civilized, as they really have all the advantage over bows, especially longbows, in such confined areas as the jungle. Their civilization fell, but almost all civilizations have, throughout history. Let's take Rome.. Would you say the Ancient Romans were uncivilized? They still fell. Also, look at the massive Pyramids of the Turredin. How could uncivilized people make such things? gold is the most maleable metal, more impressive is that they are able to make durable warhammers of obsidian, along with being able to work bronze into armor.

as far as blowguns, while i suppose that is a good point, especially when they are at least remotely camoflauged, but they are a hunting weapon, not really intended for open war, although they would be useful in assassinations if poisoned.

excelent point with the pyramids though, and as far as civilized, egypt is a very old nation viewed as civilised (despite slaves) and i would also consider previous nomadic tribes as civilized as well, after all i believe that to be civilized it merely to be able to govern yourselves and there were definately self-governed tribes that, while relitively primitive, were still governed by sets of laws.

as far as smoregoths point on it being a fallen empire, it is. but this is in fact another strong point in favor of it being a civilized empire. Why? because rather than when surrounded and conquered scattering and eventually dying off alone like an uncivilized tribe of savages, they reformed and made organized village systems and even reformed the entire empire.

as far as the points on surviving rather than thriving, i would also doubt this as they have many villages, and even religion and trade, which in my mind are both signs of thriving rather than simply surviving