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High King Ithilion wrote: Still, there wouldn't be that many orcs, wargs, and balrogs down there. Otherwise, why wouldn't they come out and declare their own realm?

Also, the corrupted elves are rather off, seeing as Tolkien eventually decided Orcs were bred from various kinds of Men....

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lómë) 01:38, April 28, 2017 (UTC) If the Valar sealed the entrances to Utumno, they wouldn't be able to leave. And if for some reason they were able to climb up that pit from the mod's fortress, all they would've found was a huge snow wasteland. And in the case of an Orc successfully coming out of Utumno and travelling out of Forodwaith, would him be lucky enough a second time to find his way back to the Pits?

Gandalfthegreatestwizard- EpicMithrandir wrote: Dragonovith wrote: Gandalfthegreatestwizard- EpicMithrandir wrote: Hahaha. Very funny. There is no damn lore! Utumno was destroyed completely long before the Third Age. Anything written would be in direct contradiction to lore. "Nonetheless the Valar did not discover all the mighty vaults and caverns hidden with deceit far under the fortresses of Angband and Utumno. Many evil things still lingered there, and others were dispersed and fled into the dark and roamed in the waste places of the world, awaiting a more evil hour; and Sauron they did not find."

It's simple: Utumno was destroyed and some evil servants of Morgoth survived by hiding themselves in caverns and vaults under Utumno, then some time passed and those creatures started to reproduce. Then they returned to Utumno, possibly because of an overpopulation, or maybe because of conflicts between groups or tribes? When was this quote? If after the second defeat of Melkor, I withdraw my comments. If after the first defeat, they still stand. I'm not sure, that quote is from when Melkor was defeated, captured and brought back to Valinor.