Board Thread:General Mod Discussion/@comment-25987328-20160413230109/@comment-26094355-20160417053805

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Well well well. It would seem the book extremists have been quite busy in my semi-inactivity from the Wiki (sorry guys, it’s been a little busy). I had thought that this matter had been settled in the past (by me), but it seems others on here need a refresher. Scrolling through the thread, it would seem this “WillyWyvern” is the predominant voice in this discussion. So, I will regard him as such (the representative of his side).

From what I’m seeing, the three main points that are being pushed here are: the movies were “pure evil”, Peter Jackson has severely “sinned”, and movie fans are ignorant. I will now systematically address each of these misinformed points, so buckle up, because you’re going to need all the safety mechanics when I’m done de-railing this mindless hate train.

There is literally no logical basis that backs up the suggestion that the movies were “pure evil”. From this statement, I’m getting the impression that you think they are absolutely terrible movies, perhaps comparable to the lowliest rated movies. As standalone films and adaptations of the books, they were the best things we could have ever asked for. I’m not saying they’re completely flawless, I acknowledge they had some faults, but they deserve much more props for what they did right. They are purely adaptations, and should be regarded as such. If you were expecting a movie to be word-for-word by the book, you have highly unrealistic expectations of not only how they should’ve been, but what’s appealing to an audience in a film sense. Interestingly enough, Peter Jackson gave an explanation to this in the BTS. Contrary to popular belief, The Hobbit book was actually quite vague in many areas, from characters to actual scenes (The Elvenking and the Battle of the Five Armies, for example). To call the films pure evil is to simply have little to no understanding of why they had to fill some holes in the book for the films, to make them actually watchable. I’m not saying I justify poor additions like Alfrid or the love triangle, but the films definitely don’t deserve to be called “pure evil”, simply for all the things they did right. Please, I invite you to inform yourself, and watch most, if not all the BTS of The Hobbit films (like I have), and see what it would’ve been like under Warner Bro’s original director, Del Torro. Which brings me to my next point (or rather, your next point).

What you are seeing now, is actually Peter Jackson saving The Hobbit films from what it could’ve been (“pure evil”). Every monstrosity in them, from the love triangle, to Alfrid, to the Rock Giants, were not of Peter Jackson’s making, and he even protested against it, as well as some cast members like Evangeline Lilly (who, ironically, plays Tauriel). Unfortunately, he was forced by the studio to continue some unwanted elements, and that is certainly not his fault. When Peter Jackson stepped in after Del Torro left, he essentially saved The Hobbit movies from certain low-rating doom, and he deserves props for doing that. Again, I’m not saying he’s perfect, but the sheer overlooking of what he’s accomplished, under the conditions he was in, and claim that he’s severely “sinned”, is again, misinformed and miscalculated.

And finally, the notion that movie fans are… how was it put, “movie n00bs”? And what else? “people not having the patience to read”? “their brains were turned into puree by action sequences”? (That was by The Indomitable, btw) For starters, I am not purely a movie fan, but rather, balanced between the books and the film, simply because of everything the films actually did right. But getting down to business: the most ironic part is, the only people who seem to be ignorant here is the book extremists (in this case, like you). I can understand that many movie fans may be “casuals”, but it’s pretty overrated to put anyone who loves the films under that category. It’s clear you are limited to the scope of this Wiki (since you think movie fans are “noobs”), but venture out across the Internet, and I think you’d be quite shocked to find out that many other people who love the films are far from “noobs”. The fact that you didn’t seem to know any of the above (of why The Hobbit turned out the way it did) only further shows this ignorance. It’s quite amusing to see you throwing out personal attacks to people, despite you having no grounds to do so at all (with your misinformation and careless statements). And also quite disappointing, to think that a person could be so misinformed, and even conceived the idea to go around hating on something far bigger than himself, without any grounds to back it up. You should know that outside of this Wiki, other larger Tolkien communities like theonering.net frown upon this rhetoric (and even Tolkien fans in the Amazon reviews of the films), so also keep in mind that you are actually the minority in this.

Which is why I’m surprised no one has actually slapped you right back down to your place, with you spewing these toxic, ignorant claims. I don’t know who you are (since you appear to be relatively new), or what grounds you thought you had to slander the films and all its fans, but people most definitely know who I am and why I am here: to counter ignorance, bias, and misinformation. With that said, this pathetic hate train. Ends. Here. Unless of course, you want to go at it some more, because I am fully capable of doing so, although most on here would probably not deem it wise for you to do so.

 Elvenking of the Woodland Realm