Board Thread:Suggestions forum/@comment-26149161-20170221225823/@comment-26149161-20170224033151

With regards to the Isengard part, I direct you to this.

"A strong place and wonderful was Isengard, and long it had been beautiful; and there great lords had dwelt, the wardens of Gondor upon the West, and wise men that watched the stars. But Saruman had slowly shaped it to his shifting purposes, and made it better, as he thought, being deceived - for all those arts and subtle devices for which he forsook his former wisdom, and which fondly he imagined were his own, came but from Mordor; so that   what he made was naught, only a little copy, a child's model or a slave's flattery , of that vast fortress, armoury prison, furnace of great power,   Barad-dûr, The Dark Tower, which suffered no rival, and laughed at flattery, biding it's time, secure in its pride and its immeasurable strength. "

All that Isengard creates comes from Mordor, save perhaps the Half-Orcs. Anything applicable to Isengard can probably be traced back to Mordor.

As for the beginning, I would agree that is a miswording. When I first heard of the notion it was presented as fact, which I have not been able to support with direct quote. Now I see it as more of a deduction, based off a proponderance of evidence, but still a valid and most likely candidate.

 Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lome) 03:31, February 24, 2017 (UTC)