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90.61.18.243 wrote: Gen. Grievous1138 wrote:

86.70.92.21 wrote:

Dragonovith wrote:

Recneps wrote: Also, drago, you keep relying on the advancement of the forges.. Can you get a quote? The only one I can think of is when it says that Isengard is but a mockery of Sauron's works, which also says that it's smaller, but I can't think of any where it directly says that it's worse. We could probably be speaking of the same quote:

"But Saruman had slowly shaped it to his shifting purposes, and made it better as he thought, being deceived-for all those arts and subtle devices, for which he forsook his former wisdom, and which fondly he imagined were his own came but from Mordor; so that what he made was naught, only a little copy, a child's model or a slave's flattery, of that vast fortress, armoury, prison, furnace of great power, Barad-dur, the Dark Tower, which suffered no rival, and laughed at flattery, biding its time, secure in its pride and its immeasurable strength."

I think this is the quote, and in my interpretation of the eloquent comparison Tolkien does between Isengard and Mordor, Mordor has better equipment.

Maybe an armour with 15 armour points but less durability than Mordor armour can be goob for Uruk-hai. That makes little sense either, especially if it still uses Uruk steel.

Gen. Grievous1138 (LOTR Mod Wiki Admin) comlink 19:22, April 7, 2017 (UTC) Why? Actualy an Elven armour made from Elven steel has 15 armour points, the Uruk-hai shouldn't have a better armour than Elves, an Uruk armour with 17 armour points doesn't make sense.

Because this is a game. In a game, balance is a factor. If dwarves or elves had better armor than all the evil factions, the game would not be balanced. That is why Uruk armor, and Black Uruk armor, and Gundabad Uruk armor are all dwarven-level in terms of strength.

In addition, it was stated above that Gundabad Uruks (well, the current ones) would keep their uruk-level gear, which is made from Uruk Steel. Since Isengard Uruk armor is also made from Uruk Steel (and there's no way to replace that in the recipe and have it still make sense) it does not make sense that one gear set made with the same material as another is greatly inferior.

Gen. Grievous1138 (LOTR Mod Wiki Admin) comlink 22:32, April 7, 2017 (UTC)