Board Thread:General Mod Discussion/@comment-26088681-20171011203808/@comment-25012056-20171018101322

High King Ithilion wrote: Gen. Grievous1138 wrote:

Legoarmy505 wrote:

Gen. Grievous1138 wrote:

Legoarmy505 wrote: sooo he created an entire race! Btw thats mod lore, not tolkien's it has no place here. And remember, people have denounced religions and religious figures even when they do miracles, look at Jesus. It would still take years to get the Men of the South and East fully ready to invade. You cannot interrupt a brawl between two men that have always hated each other and say. Look at the guy that once conned you out of 100 bucks. If you go now and have a drink with each other and stay in the same room for an evening to think about how to beat the conman up. And these 2 men have grown up together hating each other, and fight once a week. Would that work well? They hate Gondor FAR, FAR more than they hate each other. And there's also nothing to suggest that they hate each other at all. The Southrons and Easterlings worked together to kill some filthy Gondorians multiple times in the past, without the leadership of Sauron.

I'm not saying it would happen instantly. But I am saying that it wouldn't take the entire sixty years. The Southron rebels are a fucking joke, and while the Free Easterlings are a threat to Sauron's power they have no effect on the loyalties of the other Easterlings, who would return to Sauron in short order. The Free Easterlings may have swayed decent numbers, but you need to remember: Sauron spent plenty of time in the East personally in the years before, and apparently had another realm there.

Gen. Grievous1138 (LOTR Mod Wiki Admin) comlink 10:00, October 17, 2017 (UTC) So the Haradrim hate a colonial power that ruled them from far away. Yes that is right. Soo they will just stop killing each other when someone asks them to go fight that colonial power, even when the colonial power is now gone for the area. Let's look at Africa. After all the Europeans left them, guess what, they started killing each other. So let's say after Numenor left Harad and its colonies there. The Haradrim down south, not Harendor, would just decide to live peacefully with other racial groups and ethnicities and other kingdoms. Ye.. They would have been killing each other a lot.. Especially since Harad is a giant desert with almost no resources.

With the east, Sauron had full control and loyalty of all (maybe not one) of the Kingdoms in Rhun. But the Blue Wizards would also have a lot of loyalty from its men. As they are wizards who wield great power and walk amoung the soldiers and peasants. In Harad it might be more Sauron mediating between kingdoms trying to get peace, but in the East, it would be a full on civil - guerilla war between the rebels/rebel kingdom and the loyal to Sauron ones.

It won't be 60 years btw, I meant like about 3-10 in Harad and in rhun, though they will be ready for Sauron, they will still be fighting all the way through the war The Haradrim fought each other far less than the African tribes did. The influence of Gondor provided an enemy that united all of the Southrons and a good chunk of the Morwaith - a more fitting parallel would perhaps be Tecumsah's confederacy of native tribes during the early 1800s in central North America, the members of which stopped fighting each other and - with the leadership of Tecumsah - set up a fierce resistance against the Americans with the aid of the British during the War of 1812. (For those wondering how the story ends, the British retreated back into Canada, Tecumsah was killed in battle, and the natives got screwed over. But that's beyond the point.)

In addition, you must remember that the Southron kingdoms are not primitive at all, except maybe the nomads of the Half-Deserts. They rarely fought each other at all in the entire Third Age, and never in major conflicts - indeed, the kingdoms are more like Gondor's fiefdoms than tribes. The Half-Trolls are thralls of Sauron's will anyway. The Morwaith are more like African tribes, but as I said war has further united them into major groups, all of which had either allied with the Southrons, were already fighting Sauron's enemies, or were swayed to Sauron very easily (poor Eastern Morwaith). Three years sounds to me definitely sufficient - which is what I suggested in the first place xP.

Gen. Grievous1138 (LOTR Mod Wiki Admin) comlink 01:03, October 18, 2017 (UTC) I was under the impression that they were a bunch of petty kingdoms and houses, GoT-style, full of political intrigue and warfare, but the mod team hasn't added that because there's no way to properly represent that with the current faction system.

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lómë)

Originally? Yes. But they've been more or less united for at least a millennia now, with perhaps the exception of the Nomads and at times the Gulf.

Gen. Grievous1138 (LOTR Mod Wiki Admin) comlink 10:13, October 18, 2017 (UTC)