Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-33719810-20171122020843/@comment-25841881-20171206011020

KingTotalWar wrote: Catfishperson wrote: Again, I'm no SW lore expert, but sometimes it seems the Force itself is described as an omnipotent conscience. If this is the case, surely it would intervene if it saw it's universe in danger of being "wished away by an intruder." The force itself is described as omnipitent, the Jedi order serves the “will of the force”, the force affects things, it doesn’t blow up continents, but it affects things in small ways, that can lead to massive effects, in other words the snowball effect. I think for this scenario, because these are two different universes, the power of Eru, and The Force, would cancel each other out. We even seenin Star Wars where The Dark Side of the force cancels out the Light Side, for this to be a fair comparison, I think we should work along those lines. The other thing, these are two entirely separate universes, or let’s say Galaxies. In the Yuzong Vong War (idk if I spelled it right and ik its not cannon anymore) the Vong were from a different galaxy, therefore they didn’t have medichorlions and the Jedi couldn’t use the force on them AS EFFECTIVLEY. There were still several times however when Jedi would become one with the force and be able to annhiliate them. As for Star Wars not having something to match Eru, the beings on Mortis are basically omnipitent, Abeloth is the Star Wars equivalent of Sauron, as it took, if I remember correctly, 8 of the most powerful force users to bring her down. In EU, Luke is literally the most powerful Jedi that has ever lived, and he even said she was at least 12 times more powerful than he was.

The latest comparison is putting all of lotr against all of Star Wars. That means Star Wars have omnipitent beings (Abeloth is still somewhat canon), people such as Palpatine, who was the incarnation of the dark side, etc, etc.

This comparison simply will not work if everyone wants to instantly go “but muh Eru destroying the universe.” You have to take some exceptions.

I’d say, in my own way of making it fair of course, Eru and the Force essentially cancel each other out. Eru did not create the force or anything in Star Wars, likewise nothing in Arda came from the force, so the force will not be as effective on them. Of course we're pitting all of Arda against the Empire. You said the Empire would just destroy Arda. All the forces of Ea would unite to prevent that.. Why would those characters join the Empire? And you say this comparison won't work if we simply go "Eru destroy universe" so we have to make exceptions. Why? Making exceptions in comparisons for the sake of fairness is utterly unfair. Exceptions will be made simply so a certain side wins the argument. We can pit the two original forces against each other, and talk about the logical result, or we can not. Pitting Sauron and Vader gives us a few choices: Armies, Lieutenants, or Duel? Armies ends up bringing Eru in, neutralizing The Empire. Lieutenants brings in a force of talented manipulators who can't truly die until Sauron does.. Duel pits Sauron, who is a master of corruption, against a character who literally was corrupted away(Return of the Jedi) from corruption(Dark Side) after he was corrupted to emotion(Padme).