Board Thread:General Mod Discussion/@comment-26149161-20150731144946/@comment-27689279-20150801231540

Sinthoniel wrote: Aarplane, I can only shake my head about how little sense your posts make. Sorry. All in all, you are always very arrogant and, while you accuse us of not completely reading your posts, you don't get much of my post either. You believe (and even state) that you are 100% right and "the admins" (of which most haven't even stated an opinion, so that's a generalisation) are always wrong because we don't quote from the lore. I quickly checked your posts in this thread and the other thread you linked to and couldn't find a single quote from the lore in them either.

The most you brought up is that the mod is "Mevans' and the admins' world". You make it how "you want it to be" (you clearly said that), and you choose which source it comes from based on whether you like it or not. Nope. I never said that it's how I want it to be (that adds 1 to your accusation count). And in fact, the wiki admins have not more influence over the course of the mod than anyone else. I said "I can go with whatever Mevans wants for his mod" and that's what everyone else has to be too. Mevans started to code this mod and then decided to release it to publicity. He never had to do that! He could have kept the mod for himself. But instead he offers very good service for the mod, frequent public updates, an official server (that he has to pay), a wiki (where he is one of the main contributors) etc. And he gets nothing from all of this. No, you don't have to bow down to him. You have three options: First, play the mod and be happy how it is. Second, stop playing the mod because you don't like it. Third, make it better in your own LOTR adaption. And finally, stop confusing us wiki admins with the mod team (aka FB moderators). We are not the all powerful decision makers as that you depict us.

You act as if everything is black and white and you think you can always find the one true solution by weighing up the pros and cons. But everyone gives a single point a different weight, and therefore everyone will come to a different conclusion. That are the basics of argumentations.

I could go on for hours writing about why the BoFA movie makes no sense, contradicts the lore in many ways and should not be used as source. Or I can simply do it like you and say your resource pack is extremely biased and opinion based. I don't have to back that up because everything you say is (by definition) biased and not based on the lore. All I say is absolutely true and based on facts.

That is how your posts sound to me. I can only shake my head at how much you don't want to accept a truth that's been proven 100x over in the past couple days. And then, go on to twist my words and keep me here. And again, calling me names does not change the truth in the slightest.

Both of us will never be able to quote directly from lore, because there is no specific quote that states it should be "this or that". And that's the entirety of what I'm trying to point out. The basis of your responses are "the movies are not canon, we go by the book". But how can you go by the book, if there is nothing in them to dictate a definite design? Which is why the mod design is no less canon than the one in the movie. In most, if not all your responses, you have yet to address this simple truth: so, if they are equally uncanon, what then is preventing it (and other changes) to be implemented? A bias against the movies, despite this bias' logical incorrectness. And it's this bias, again, which holds the mod back from some great concepts in design (not mechanics or timelines, again, let's be clear).

Your entire second paragraph is again, appealling to Mevans as someone that we should all rejoice and give thanks for, citing that "he didn't have to do this, or that". Again, I respect him for what he's done with the entire mod, he's created the Middle-earth open-world experience I've been searching for. But does that mean everything is perfect? No. Does that mean that just because he's "Mevans", I have to live with whatever he so "graciously" puts out, and can't give an outside input? Not in the slightest. When the facts are clear, and lean to a standpoint (in this case, against the delusional "anti movie bias"), I'm not going to revert just because you cite "Mevans" (an appeal to authority fallacy), as if I'm supposed to shrink back in fear.

And your last paragraphs. Yes, you could go on about how BotFA "doesn't make sense"... timeline and lore-wise. And again, we can agree on that. But the design has already been proven to make sense, simply because of its ties to certain lore and culture aspects. With the pieces of information I've put forward in past posts, it's simply undeniable. Yes, you could say my resource pack is opinion based, except that would be false, because it's based on the movie design, which has factual lore and culture roots. And you're right, you don't have to back up what you say because everything you've said so far is opinionated speculation, which can't be used factually.

And in an free, open, objective discussion setting, who are you to tell me what my "options" are? Guess what, as long as there is freedom of speech on the Internet, I can make my own options (hence, my stance and the resource pack). You say you're open to "outside input"? Well here it is. It may not have been the easy user pickings that you're used to, but I'm here to let you know the admin charisma doesn't work around here.

Again, if you're not reasoning with acutal objective facts, and instead trying to talk down to me with orders, personal speculation, and opinion, you're not getting any closer to disproving the truths that have been more than proven with fact. Because that's all you've presented so far, and that's all you can present, because the objective facts already lean towards my standpoint. I'm just here to keep the record straight, so that I'm not painted like you're trying to paint me (basically all the names you've directly called me, not specifically you, a couple others as well)

 Elvenking of the Woodland Realm  23:15, August 1, 2015 (UTC)