Board Thread:Suggestions forum/@comment-29212138-20170526182111/@comment-29021580-20170527235237

Kvesir wrote: Dolgukhor wrote: Kvesir wrote: Dolgukhor wrote:  "After the fall of Sauron their race swiftly dwindled or became merged with the Men of Middle-earth..." ― "Appendix A" of The Lord of the Rings Yes it clearly states only in Umbar. Well the black numenorean lords were still called thus for a 1 reason they remained black numenoreans, how do they do so without setting up communities?

If thus community lasted formt he taking of umbar to the 35 year siege what makes the communities stop being titled Black Numenoreans?

We know they fled *Maybe to the mountains of Harad* but if so when news reaches them of Umbar's retaking what stops them from coming back?

The natives be their threat, would u be nice to the person whos ancestors enslaved yours?

Made yours live in the dirt due to heavy tribute sthat costed them everything they made. I don't really understand your point about the communities of the Lords of Umbar. As I've already said, the havens in Far Harad existed before the fall of Umbar, much before. They were colonised by Numenoreans at the same time as Umbar was, in the 2nd age. Even if the Lords of Umbar fled there, why would the entire Black Numenorean population of those havens just go to Umbar with them? They'd stay where they settled

And yea, as I already said, it is possible according to the quote that a Black Numenorean haven wasn't conquered by tribesmen. And as I've already said, that would have most likely been a haven near the Tauredain, as they were since the 3rd age always too weak to defend themselves. Kves I have never said that they would go to other haven but set up their own communities. If they hear of the taking UMbar would they not return?

If they were near the Tauredain how in the world would they even look at them as husbands as they would STILL be enslaving the people. A starving/determined people can do alot *Look at how Rome fell by the Goths* they wouldnt just be like

"Have my daughter's hand in marriage, because i forgive u for enslaving my race and i give you an slavery free pass" "They"? Who is "they"?

Is "they" the communities that the Black Numenoreans created after escaping from Umbar? If so, yes, they would return if they were still alive after the 35 years siege and all those thousands of years of waiting for Gondor to lose Umbar. But actually, those communities were likely founded in Near Harad, as the Haradrim there were fond of the Black Numenoreans and were under their influence and control, not just rogue tribesmen who had to pay tribute. The Haradrim there had good enough relations with the Black Numenorean exiles to allow themselves to marry with them and mingle.

If "they" is the population of the Black Numenorean havens in Far Harad, then why the heck would they want to go to Umbar? They are Numenoreans who came from Numenor to Far Harad, they never been to Umbar and there is no reason for them to immigrate to there even after it was conquered by Castamir. Kves, I speak not of the Numenoreans of the Havens to the South. I speak of the black Numenoreans taht were driven from Umbar, if they could last over 300 years with the haradrim and yet still be considered Numenoreans before the siege than why not today?

It was the natives *Haradrim* in which rebelled, if Tolkien meant Umbar to be cleansed of all Numenorean blood then he would of mentioned it as he has with the Great Dragons, Angmarians, and The Petty Dwarves. Why not do the same with Umbar as he has done this with every other ace that has grown extinct?