Board Thread:Suggestions forum/@comment-25012056-20170502102450/@comment-25981649-20170503195123

Gen. Grievous1138 wrote:

Sneaky184 wrote: I like most of these suggestions-epsecially the decreased spawn rate of Uruks- but i think the Half-Orc berserkers are a little too strong with strength and a weapon that deals 10 damage. I think they should deal 8-10 damage(Uruk berserkers do 5-7 according to the wikia page) and have the speed buff only. I think the diversity from these changes would make fighting with and against Isengard more fun so thanks for the ideas. That stat that Uruk Berserkers deal 5-7 is wrong. Uruk Berserkers use cleavers that do 8, one point better than the damage for the normal Uruk sword-type weapon. I did the same, but for a battleaxe.

+First Anon: That's correct.

+Second Anon: No, they weren't. Goblins in Tolkien's works are the same as Orcs, making goblin-men - which was only used by Hobbits to describe Half-Orcs in the books - Half-Orcs.

Gen. Grievous1138 (LOTR Mod Wiki Admin) comlink 10:11, May 3, 2017 (UTC) Ehm, I agree with Anon- Goblin-men and Half-orcs are notably different: Tolkien specifically stated:

"But these creatures of Isengard, these half-orcs AND goblin-men that the foul craft of Saruman has bred, they will not quail at the sun"

The Two Towers, LoTR Book 3, Ch 7 Helm's Deep

I understand the idea that Goblins are the english word for Orcs, however, Tolkien would never state two different things seperately- it'd be like calling geese and swans the same thing.

My biggest assumption is that half-orcs are more orc than man, and goblin-men only have a certain amount of Orcish blood in them, but that's up to debate- what's clear is that they were seperate.