Board Thread:General Mod Discussion/@comment-25981649-20170215202502/@comment-31907131-20170222040010

Gen. Grievous1138 wrote:

Gandalfthegreatestwizard- EpicMithrandir wrote:

High King Ithilion wrote: I think it's okay to expand on what we don't know, so long as it is done conservatively. For example, I helped Grievous come up with names for several Nazgul. All of them could concieveably be in the lore itself, so I'm okay with that. As long as it isn't a major focus of the game, it's fine. But if we're creating huge, detailed Rhunic histories, monsters in the Harad, or Mallorn Ents, then we've gone too far.

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lome) 03:23, February 21, 2017 (UTC) Exactly. Conservative is the operative word.

On a side note,  why would you need the names of the Nazgul? I mean, when added they don't each need to have their own names. They can simply be Nazgul. Can't they? Well, we have the name of one and the race of three. We can't just leave the backstories of what I would consider major characters half-done for the mod. Now, I find it likely that the Nazgûl themselves would be known as the Nazgûl with titles (The Witch-King, the Black Easterling, the Dawndeath, etc), but the factions they would have came from could reference the original names in tales or city names (such as Khamûl's Tower.) Even though getting the Nazgûl stories done isn't what the mod team is going for right now, names allow for greater depth with the factions.

Gen. Grievous1138 (LOTR Mod Wiki Admin) comlink 12:41, February 21, 2017 (UTC) Factions they come from? Most of those entities are long gone by this time. That was the Second Age, this is the Third. They each were kings, sorcerers and warriors of Men, but now they are mysterious black-cloaked riders. By this point, the lore of those men whom they ruled (if the wild and base peoples ever had any lore) does not remember them, except in myth or legend. Those dominions are scattered or gone now. Even Angmar, the province of their Black Captain, is a shattered remnant. Khamul the Easterling might have a tower, but none of those who were once his people are likely to remember who he was. Why do these Ringwraiths need to each have names and histories? These things are irrelevant, now that they are the Nazgul. Two can dwell in Dol Guldur with Khamul, and the rest in Minas Morgul or other parts of Mordor. When the major quests are added, they will no doubt play a part, but that doesn't require all of them to have names, the same as the books didn't need to tell their names. An aura of mystery and fear is allowed, you know. Greater depths for factions? Which factions, the ones that you are also inventing? The ones in mod 'lore'? You don't need greater depths if you don't have the non-canon factions in the first place, and very few of the Nine wwould have been in factions that we do know of.