Board Thread:Suggestions forum/@comment-29212138-20170526182111/@comment-29212138-20170527202707

Dragonovith wrote: LordArvedui wrote: Dragonovith wrote: It's a bit rude to close this thread while we are still having an active and civil discussion. Are you serious? That's like saying it's rude to lock my own car while two people I hardly know are arguing in it. It's unlockable from the inside, aka, '''Just go argue on your own walls! I don't need constant alerts thinking someone is giving tips only to find out you two are still beefing it out!''' You look angry, please calm down, we're discussion a subject relative to your suggestion. No one is arguing or beefing about anything

Kvesir wrote: If you actually cared to glance at the map of Far Harad, you would see that it is geographically impossible for the Moredain to invade and destroy any Numenorean colony that was founded on the western coast of Far Harad.



Would the Moredain climb over the Harad Mountains to sack the Numenorean colonies? But not settle there themselves?

It seems like my messages are being buried even though I'm making good points. I hope someone sees this. I believe that biome west of the Mountains is a Savannah one, where Moredain live.

High King Ithilion wrote: Dragonovith wrote:

High King Ithilion wrote:

Dragonovith wrote:

High King Ithilion wrote: There's no info on them, but, based on the context of Faramir's speech, they are no longer around.

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lómë) 19:51, May 27, 2017 (UTC) How did Faramir acquire that information? Most likely Gondorian lore.

Tolkien often used phrasing like that. The line about being conquered is meant to refer to them all. Why wouldn't they be conquered, living in a hostile land far to the south?

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lómë) 19:58, May 27, 2017 (UTC) Considering the mod lore and that information spread in a "medieval" world is unreliable, I imagine that some colonies were overrun by the Moredain, but those colonies further south, near the jungles, could've survived. I assume that any Gondorian scholar would conclude that, if those nearby colonies were conquered, those others far to the south could've been too.

This is the lore tag of the westernmost Tauredain city: "Near the western edge of the jungles of Harad stands this ancient trader-town, where the old empire grew mighty out of trade with the Númenóreans."

This implies that the Númenóreans and the Tauredain were in good terms, and considering that the Empire fell, the Tauredain were in no shape for waging war against the Númenóreans, which were technologically more advanced than then. Of all things, they are much more likely to be allies than enemies. I would disagree with that. The Black Numenoreans were vicious in extracting tribute. After the fall of Numenor and the cataclysmic events that sunk much of Harad, I highly doubt the remaining Numenoreans would be spared the wrath of the oppressed people.

I would say that perhaps a single, somewhat mixed, community should be found in Haradm along with the ruins of other communities. This group wouldn't have enough strength to fight any wars, but still exist. I would sugest the Mountains of Harad as a location for a small stronghold of that race.

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lómë) 20:19, May 27, 2017 (UTC) Alright, I can't really disagree with that. Well if nothing is wrong then you shouldn't mind doing this on one of your own walls and letting me have this closed.