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LOTRMod wrote: Listen up, friends! I'm going to put an end to this 'Angmar was destroyed' thing, because it comes up quite a lot on here and the idea doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me.

That quote says that Angmar was entirely defeated in 1975. All the men and orcs were purged from the land, yes. Ethnic cleansing galore. All well and good. What it doesn't say is that Angmar was forever after a place of uninhabited desolation.

If you wipe out all the inhabitants of a region, is it likely to remain empty forever? No, people and cultures move around, come and go, and uninhabited lands will eventually be re-populated. We're talking over a thousand years later; it is completely unrealistic that the land of Angmar would still be empty of inhabitants. You'd need a constant force of Elves and Rangers guarding the place, or an enormous ecological catastrophe on the scale of Chernobyl or something.

 I can't know for sure, but I'm quite confident that J. R. R. Tolkien intended that quote to describe the crushing scale of the Free Peoples' victory over Angmar, not to say that the land was forever after uninhabited.

Angmar will not be removed from the mod. Maybe it will be changed, maybe it will be nerfed, maybe it will be boosted, maybe the inhabitants will be changed around a bit, maybe all the Orc factions will be consolidated into a single super-faction and 'Angmar' will no longer exist. Who knows, I can't predict what might happen in the future. But it will certainly never be de-populated for the sake of matching a quote that describes its status a thousand years in the past.

There is a quote in the Unfinished Tales pointing to the spawn rate being seriously reduced, in the least.

""You may think that Rivendell was out of his reach, but I did not think so. The state of things in the North was very bad. The Kingdom under the Mountain and the strong Men of Dale were no more. To resist any force that Sauron might send to regain the northern passes in the mountains and the old lands of Angmar there were only the Dwarves of the Iron Hills, and behind them lay a desolation and a Dragon."

- Unfinished Tales: The Quest of Erebor

Sauron evidently had no contact in the North in the time of the Hobbit, and probably still had little by the WotR.

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lome) 12:28, July 18, 2016 (UTC)