Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-26295802-20160321234711/@comment-26347028-20160606213928

High Prince Imrahil wrote: Maltalidenta Kwuitidherali wrote: LOTRGuy wrote: High Prince Imrahil wrote: High King Ithilion wrote: Faramir said "We might make the enemy pay 10 times our losses for the crossing, yet rue the exchange." Obviously, he means that his men can take doen orcs by the boatload. Now, they are in defesive works, but still, it shows that orcs are weak. No, he's saying that it's totally futile, and saying "Even if we were able to make the enemy pay ten times, which obviously isn't going to happen, it still wouldn't work out in our favor" Exactly!

Orcs are not weak according to many sources. I agree that the more powerful evil creatures are Morgul, Wild-Men, Etc., but here's the point: Orcs show no sign of weakness. Sure, they are discouraged alot, but they are NOT weak. They are strong, and I would say that these orcs could kill a Dwarf 1v1. And Elves are like 1.75 times the power of a dwarf. So elves do have the chance of death by orcs in a 1v1 situation. Ithilion is just afraid to admit that he hates orcs too much to accept their power.

ThaurdirTheWraithNecromancer List of Suggestions  Not really. An Uruk is about the equal of a Dwarf, and I agree that they have power. But the Orcs themselves wouldn't require this enhancement into Uruks if they were as powerful as you claim. Seeing as they did, and they got completely annihilated by a (fairly) small army of spear-Elves, it isn't out of the question. (There are few named Maiar on either side, so it isn't out of the question to presume that there were not many Maiar. Indeed, the Balrogs number about 50 if I remember correctly. The Dragons couldn't number more than 150, and presumably less having any real power. Thus, 200 for each side does not an army make.) If the Balrogs and Dragons were overpowered by their respective counterpart Maiar, then the many Orcs that Morgoth had were overpowered by the spear-Elves alone. There aren't many Vanyar, perhaps 50,000 at most. While that's massive in terms of LotR, compared to what Morgoth seems to have its very little. Indeed, the battle caused the then-civilised world to be mostly sunk. Those were earlier orcs, I'm talking about 3rd Age orcs after they had a few more millennia to breed Over the millennia, they got weaker without a leader. That didn't avail them much. Granted, when back under Sauron's leadership they probably advanced a little, perhaps enough to counteract the time spent away. But the fact remains that they'd be similar, if not worse, to the Orcs of the First Age. The Uruks would be stronger, but the Orcs themselves less even than a man (albeit not by much) I'd say.