Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-26535281-20150703012624/@comment-27723099-20150703220530

Shydes528 wrote: Elestan Larcalaite wrote: Im pretty sure that Ungoliant was a Maia corrupted by Morgoth. Anyways, it depends on wether Theoden was on his horse or not, on the ground he wou,d get shredded to pieces. You forget, Denethor is nearly pure-blood Numenorean. And Ungoliant would win, she would make her darkness thing and then bite Smaug and drain the life out of him. Ungoliant is like Old Tom Bombadil. Her origins are unknown, but it is likely that she is an extremely powerful spirit, as Melkor was terrified of her when she came after him, and it took all 7 Balrogs to even drive her off. The whole theory that states the Bombadil is the Spirit of the Music of the Ainur also states that Ungoliant is the Spirit of the Discord of Melkor, which is really awesome and is my favorite LOTR theory because its so well thought out, well supported, and makes sense. Plus its just freaking awesome. And Numenorean blood means nothing when you're clearly insane, inept, and not a proficient warrior. Theoden wins either way, because he is just tougher, wiser, and more skilled, plus more courageous. 1.) The discord was the leading topic in the Music of the Ainur. It was caused by Melkor and he was the most important power in the First Age. Ungoliant is a rather unimportant character that appeared for a short time and then disappeared forever. And I guess Melkor could have stolen the Silmarils without Ungoliant's help.

If she is any spirit, then the spirit of the emptiness, the void. The Silmarillon says "some have said that in ages long before she desended from the darkness that lies about Arda". And about Melkor is said (before the creation of Eä) "He had gone often alone into the void places, seeking the Imperishable Flame", saying that he had contact with the void before. The Void never had much impact on the fate of Arda, but it was always there. The Void is the darkness and the emptiness.

2) You can't say Theoden is more skilled because you've never seen Denethor in combat. As I said, Theoden was just as insane as Denethor before Gandalf healed him. Theoden could defend Gondor against Mordor for many years, so he is very wise and a good strategist. We know that he commanded his sons directly, so he is responsible for many of the achievements in the war. I guess Theoden couldn't have done the same.