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Dolgukhor wrote: I didnt say army, I didnt say the ruled formt he shaows aeither they just rose the haradrim against them to tak eumbar back.

Yes they were known to wed haradrim but being numenorean like the faithful most likely had a party not willing to wed the haradrim.

Naru n,Aru  is just adunaic of Kings Men and kings men was the title for them, Naru n,Aru would have been used back in Numenor for the party against the Valar

And tbh I said they would breed among their own families, and with other families but im sure that more then 1 family lived throught the events and so they can reproduce between families.

They most likely were very rare but not extinct

And tbh Black NUmenorean in mordor recruitable units makes no sense as they probs was about 40-60 of them with he nazgul, and that it self is pretty rare.

Your point is basicly saying that all the pure blooded kings men ran to mordor and left their most honored city and state.

The Haradrim that were closely allied with them forced them to interbreed

Gondor executed the Black Numenoreans remaining in Umbar (This was never mentioned in any passage m8)

Gondor didnt even execute harad warchiefs at the end of the third age.

I agree that Mordor has quite a popultion of black Numenoreans (angmar peeps runnin here and such and some umbarian peeps *not* all dou)

But still no evidence proves that there are no Pure Blooded Kings Men in Umbar left. And wouldn't the Haradrim being led by the Numenoreans be mentioned in the text?

I don't see what's so hard to understand about the *explicit* quote saying they mingled and interbred, disappearing far faster. They were not "known" to wed Haradrim, they did. Anything more is conjecture.

It's a name invented for TATW DAC.

We *know* they intermingled with Haradrim. They evidently had no care for whether or not their lines were "pure", because they were nowhere near as concerned with such things as Gondorians were.

Black Numenoreans are only ever mentioned in Mordor. And there they should *stay*. Rather than guessing and making up possibilities, let us focus on what we know.

Quote saying they honored it? It was a former city of Numenor, and I'd say running to their Master would be far more likely than staying to die at the blades of Gondor.

Cities are sacked and traitors killed. It's less conjecture than the mind gymnastics one has to do to arrive at the conclusion that they survived.

Elessar was incredibly merciful. From what we know of the Ship-kings, they were not.

Agmar? You're joking. No Numenoreans went there. And the Numenoreans would only find refuge there, so that is the logical place to go.

And no evidence proves pigs don't have magical flight skills, or that Aule invented the AK-47. We cannot focus on distant possibilities. You are the "persecution"-trying to prove that they did in fact exist. If is not up to me to find proof they didn't, rather on you to find proof they did.

If I may be frank, and correct me if I'm mistaken, I feel you may be imposing your own wishes (surviving King's Men in Umbar) upon the lore. There is no evidence to support such, but you seem to insist it quite vehemently. Be careful to not let personal biases color the discussion.

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lome) 00:22, February 28, 2017 (UTC)