Board Thread:General Mod Discussion/@comment-27482422-20170704172908/@comment-31215921-20170709225441

Gandalfthewhitest wrote: Arvedui of Pelargir wrote: This conversation is utterly pointless.

Musing on "what if" questions like this is absurd. "What if" Denethor II was able to shoot rainbow swirly beams out of his fingers, but Tolkien never mentioned it? If I "need no proof", then this is a totally okay converstaion to have. It doesn't "completely go against canon". If it does, I'd like you to prove it.

Now, obviously, Denethor II, the steward of Gondor, does not shoot rainbow swirlies out of his fingers. But by your logic, that's a reasonable thing to say. If it is not, i'd like you to prove it.

Now, I'll be gone from this conversation because I see it going absolutely nowhere. Speculating on what middle-earth religions were like in teachings, rituals, etc. is foolish and a waste of time because no one can ever present legitimate arguments or facts, or objectively say "My way of thinking in this case is better than yours." No I´m saying that saying things like " Orcs maybe worsipped Illuvatar" is completely against canon and is not right.Because they all worshipped Sauron and Morgoth.Orcs are truly evil beings and that is a proof that they cant worship Iluvatar.

But saying "maybe some Haradrim worshipped Iluvatar" is not completely against canon because it is known that Haradrim have been forced to serve and worship Sauron.So by some logi because they are Men they are not truly evil and some of them maybe do secretly worship Illuvatar.There is no proof for it, but there is also no proof against it.

I didnt even want to go in this directio, I wanted to see your ideas about all Middle-Earth religions.And I wanted you to add some things to it.Things that real world religions have.

We are not talking here (at least we shouldnt talk) about the lore, but about some ideas.

If you are a lore-freak and you do not allow anyone to have some conversations outside of lore, then don´t even read this discussion. If any Southrons or Easterlings (excluding Free Easterlings) didn't worship Sauron/Melkor, they would probably have some sort of cruel pagan religion (implied in the Silmarillion). They'd have no plausible knowledge of Eru or the Valar, unless Sauron told them some lie to incite hatred of the Valar. Even when the Númenóreans came out of the West they were held as gods.