Board Thread:Suggestions forum/@comment-94.254.143.99-20170828070250/@comment-25012056-20170830133714

MrHobit1234 wrote: Gen. Grievous1138 wrote: High King Ithilion wrote: No one is denying Sauron's *ability* to destroy Gondor. What we're arguing against is that he is both willing and able to raid. Gondor holds the crossings. Sauron isn't sending out a massive army. If he did, the crossings would be forced. But the raiding parties can't cross.

Plus, in Unfinished Tales, it says the purposes of assailing East Osgiliath was to test Gondor's strength, meaning they hadn't before, and to capture a crossing-point for the Nazgul, meaning they had no crossing point.

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lómë) 23:01, August 28, 2017 (UTC)

No crossings for horsemen - but small boats of orcs could probably cross.

Gen. Grievous1138 (LOTR Mod Wiki Admin) comlink 12:40, August 29, 2017 (UTC) With Olog-hai, wargs, Black Uruks, and everything?

Ofc not. Black Uruks would never be sent on suicide raids like that, for one thing. You'd never get an Olog across obviously. A warg is debateable but possible.

RE Ithilion: I agree with Mordor, Lindon, Nan Curunir, Lorien, Dol Guldur, Rivendell, and the Shire by means of being too secure, Angmar and Near Harad by means of being too remote from their enemies for an attack to be feasible, and Eriador by means of nobody caring about it. I disagree with the Iron Hills and Rhúdel, though, especially when Free Easterlings of some sort are added. The Iron Hills aren't heavily populated any more, making attacks from Orcs out of the Grey Mountains decently likely, and Rhúdel isn't really secure (though it has no enemies yet that would be able to attack at this point in time.)

Gen. Grievous1138 (LOTR Mod Wiki Admin) comlink 13:37, August 30, 2017 (UTC)