Board Thread:Suggestions forum/@comment-27200931-20170426224854/@comment-31735895-20170428101657

Ram6 I wrote: Maddog0089 wrote: High King Ithilion wrote: Still, there wouldn't be that many orcs, wargs, and balrogs down there. Otherwise, why wouldn't they come out and declare their own realm?

Also, the corrupted elves are rather off, seeing as Tolkien eventually decided Orcs were bred from various kinds of Men....

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lómë) 01:38, April 28, 2017 (UTC) Then why do orcs appear in the year of the trees before the Men woke up, please tell me I would like to know.

Well, it would make more sense of them to be a breed of elves, and then men mixed in and thus making them mortal (that was the whole problem with the they come from elves thing, although I always thought because of the torment etc they lost their immortality)

and actually, this wouldn't be a bad idea, as I guess a lot of people often forget to put a wp there, and when they go to their homes, they're pretty screwed. If you read the Silmarillion, it says that they are in fact tormented elves.