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Eoros wrote: Gen. Grievous1138 wrote:

Eoros wrote:

Gen. Grievous1138 wrote:

Eoros wrote: Well False Christian Lego, we believe that the Pope is infallible when making religious statements. Those Popes never taught error, and we have never apologized for the Crusades, and we never will. We don't regret them. This is all false understanding you have ;)

The star wars quotes, Grievous. The star wars quotes....

Which reminds me (I'm not trying to deflect the discussion to something else, I will have something later, I can't think straight right now), I wonder if the Galactic Republic was a socialist state or not... (Saint) Pope John Paul II apologized for the innocent casualties of the Crusades among many, many, many other things. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/1465857/Pope-says-sorry-for-crusaders-rampage-in-1204.html and http://www.nytimes.com/2000/03/13/world/pope-asks-forgiveness-for-errors-of-the-church-over-2000-years.html That thing about the Republic would be interesting tho. It's not a socialist state in my mind tho, just a capitalist state rotted by corruptiom.

As for the Doctrine of Infallibility, a declaration of war isn't a religious teaching per se.

Gen. Grievous1138 (LOTR Mod Wiki Admin) comlink 22:47, December 6, 2016 (UTC)
 * sighs audibly* I LITERALLY said a few paragraph ago that THE BYZANTINE PLUNDERING WAS COMMITTED BY A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO BROKE OFF FROM THE MAIN COURSE. Sorry for caps, but holy crap, I at least have the respect and deceny to read your points before I blast them! No wonder this argument isn't getting anywhere! No wonder the same stuff gets thrown at me! And let's not forget that another reason the Crusades were called is because the Byzantine Empire called Rome for aid.

Now, before we move on, did you read that whole last paragraph?

Did you?

Really?

Okay. Calm down my dude, this is getting a bit heated. I've been reading everything; he apologized for general slaughter of innocents during the Crusades as well. Which is good. Have I mentioned how much I like Saint Pope John Paul II? Cuz I like him about as much as I do Pope Francis.

Gen. Grievous1138 (LOTR Mod Wiki Admin) comlink 01:59, December 7, 2016 (UTC) For the third time, all the innocent people being killed was committed by outsiders, not the real crusaders. This happened, I'm not denying that, but it happened much less often than you think. The Crusaders had no reason to. Just like modern wars. That's like saying American troops in Afghanistan went around raping children. The Crusaders had no legitimate reason to, and since 99% of them were very good Catholic men, they wouldn't.

The Crusades were called for religious purposes, but primarily military reasons. Byzantine called for aid to their allies in Rome (the Saljuk Turks were aggressive warmongers) lest they be destroyed. None of this would have happened if the Turks weren't a threat. The Christians didn't just decide to put away their internal strifes (there were many wars in Europe at that time), and just march down to Palestine and rape and murder people. That makes absolutely no sense.

Did you read this whole thing?

You did?

Really?

Okay. the first crusaders were criminals who were ofered to go fight muslims and get a good afterlife or get hanged/killed. thus many of the first crusaders did what they wanted.