Board Thread:Suggestions forum/@comment-174.22.192.132-20161104024309/@comment-25012056-20161202022126

Eoros wrote: Alright, LATIN!!! Debate No.2 shall commence...

Socialism is rediculously expensive. Nothing is free, as socialism tells. Money has to come from somewhere. That money comes from taxpayers, and to achieve these liberal goals of socialists, it costs taxpayers crap loads of money. That makes it harder for people to accumulate wealth, which is easier than you may think. If you save just 100 dollars every month from age 25-65 or 30-70, you will have about 1,732,000 dollars saved. I can't remember the exact number. Also, obtaining money and saving it is very easy, if you are dsiciplined and don't but stupid stuff with your credit card, and buy stuff you can't afford with it, and you don't use student loans. Capitalism grants the poor people the greatest chance they have ever had in the history of the world of growing financially. Getting babied by the government doesn't help. It keeps you at the same level always.

Don't believe me? Look at socialist Europe, and communist states. The financial situation there is terrible, and that is a fact of reality, and the cause is socialism and communism.

So, socialists basically go all for this rediculous ideology, until they have to pay for it. For example, when asked if they support socialism, the majority of millenials said yes. Then, when told how much taxes would be raised and how they'd have to pay, suddenly 57% of them supported capitalism.

Yes, I hate socialism, because I believe it is expensive, and makes no sense economically at all. I am fine with small amounts of certain aspects of it (well, they're not even really aspects of it, just common sense), such as supporting people who legitimately can't work or stuff like that. Other than that, it's bad.

Well, to start, the biggest reason systems in Europe have been going downhill is because the sudden inrush of immigrants destabilized the system - which it would've done with any other system as well, consider the numbers the refugees came in.

It would be great if people could earn money without having massive expenses to cover. Unfortunately, even if you could afford to put aside a hundred bucks a month, you still would have to take out a student loan - college at this point in time is ridiculously expensive, and necessary to get any decent job that pays more than minimum wage - which it's very difficult to support yourself on at this rate, not to mention a family.

Yes, taxpayers would have to pay for this - but not as much as you think, because democratic socialism doesn't go as far as you think. Taxes can come from more than one source - if you increase sales tax on non-essential items, then you don't have to increase taxes on income or property as much. Furthermore, increased taxes on billionaires, millionaires, and corporations - especially those hiding money in tax havens, which should be a felony - could pay for more than you would think. This - along with the breakup of the big banks and large trusts that strangle our economy - could provide enough to accomplish the primary goals of democratic socialism: "free" community colleges (which of course are not free, but instead operated like public schools) allow people to get better jobs and support themselves more easily, reducing the people who need welfare and the like, while expanding welfare to get the people who still don't benefit get to a liveable state. Furthermore, the minimum wage should be raised to a liveable level (gradually of course). This would not only further reduce people on welfare, but also could possibly provide more motivation for the lazier people of society.

Now, someone's bound to argue that one of the above measures would kill companies and destroy jobs. That's not always the case. Exceptions in corporate taxes and the like could be made for small businesses, allowing them to thrive, and as for the larger corporations, they have plenty and to spare. Additionally, an increased minimum wage increases the amount of money people can spend at leisure - keeping such corporations alive.

I've probably forgotten something, but hey, this is a good start.

Gen. Grievous1138 (LOTR Mod Wiki Admin) comlink 02:21, December 2, 2016 (UTC)