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SamwiseFilmore wrote: Thindithron the Great wrote: I've always thought the 'I'm never going to get pregnant' argument an unconvincing one in any case, Grievous- even just an excuse for not having a decent argument. Abortion is either morally wrong, or morally fine. It is murder or it isn't. First one must ascertain whether it is wrong or not, and until you have done so 'choice' is irrelevant. Should people be legally able to choose to murder a person who has been born? It is not legal. Therefore, society must make an informed decision: is a fetus a human being, with the same rights as any other? Until that is known, there can be no pro-choice argument, I believe.

Perhaps it is advisable to err on the side of caution, and wait until the person is born to ask it whether it would like to live or not? What is wrong with wanting to be neutral? I don't want to have an argument on abortion either. It's one of those issues that you just want to go away.

There's nothing wrong with being neutral. The thing is, men who use the 'I'm not going to get pregnant' argument aren't neutral- they support legalization/ the current law permitting abortion, so the women can have their choice. But if abortion is morally untenable, that position is also untenable.