Board Thread:Suggestions forum/@comment-32865299-20171004210031/@comment-28343369-20171104050408

Kickratgames wrote: WoodenBox wrote: Kick-

Point 1- I never thought of that, a heavy arrowhead could do some damage through force of impact, though it would be much dissapated by a gambeson. However, it could never actually break through.

Point 2- I never said the Saracens used dirks, I'm just saying that thats how they killed knights- daggers at weak points in armor. Also, it doesn't matter how well made it is, a dagger IS NOT going to cut through 1/4 of an inch of hardened steel.

Point 3- Just because they are the same material doesn't mean one can slash through the other. Only a stab (NOT a slash) could have a hope of cracking plate, but it would have to be from something with an insane amount of leverage or force, like a pick or a hammer.

Last Point- In my also very educated opinion, cutting metal is very unlikely, an could only have been done by a spiked warhammer or a warpick, but even those would have a slim chance to do it. Think about it. If a wooden shield can stop a dagger/seax, don't you think something as thick and much stronger could? Besides, the bend of a chestplate could also very well send a dagger skidding off instead of stopping it point black, this dissipiating the enery instead of absorbing it, esp. if the wearer was slightly oblique to the attacker.

Just something I found to support my point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO2nM_2iBXA 1. A bodkin is not ​heavy, it's lightness is what gave it it's penetration power since it built up speed and force while traveling it could quite easily penetrate armor. '''

2. I do realise it would be hard to penetrate plate (By slashing or cutting) but I am talking about a very well made, well designed blade.

3. Wooden shields are very much thicker than saxes, a plate armor is very strong I do agree, however with enough force, by a Germanic berserker would destroy a plate armor, because let's face it, a germanic berserker could destroy anything.

4. A point I would like to make is the rarity of both a very well made saxe or dirk and that of the rarity of plate armor, since it took roughly 6 months by a very, very skilled blacksmith to make a set of plate armor since they do not have modern appliances: power hammers, gas powered forges, grinders etc. 1. A bodkin arrow would only be effective at close range against any plate armour. Even then, it would have been unlikely for it to cause a lethal injury. Also, your logic is flawed. No arrow will "pick up speed and power" as it goes along unless it had some form of propulsion. So that's a no to bodkin arrows being able to penetrate plate.

2. Make of the blade doesn't really matter. The edge of a sword blade does not concentrate enough force into the point of impact to come close to penetrating plate armour. In order to actually do so, you would have to have a superhuman amount of strength. Only stabbing thrusts would have a remote chance of doing harm.