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Minecraftmage113 wrote: High King Ithilion wrote: Minecraftmage113 wrote: Maltalidenta Kwuitidherali wrote:

Recneps wrote:

Maltalidenta Kwuitidherali wrote:

Recneps wrote:

Maltalidenta Kwuitidherali wrote:

Recneps wrote:

High King Ithilion wrote: We do know it was made by Tolkien, and it is 100% canon. I wrote a blog on it a while back.

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lome) 00:56, July 21, 2016 (UTC) The map never says that Mumakil are just Elephants.. It says that Elephants appeared in the Pelennor Fields battle, but not that they were Mumakil.. Well, if it was elephants and not Mûmakil, that changes things, don't you think? You just entirely misread what I said. It says that there are Elephants. Not that the Elephants are Mumakil. Elephants could be an entirely separate animal brought by the Haradrim. And, also, the map has the Elephants placed in the Desert, leading me to believe that they are not Asian Elephants, but rather African Bush Elephants. I did not misread, I pointed out how your example was flawed. There is no reasonable example to use here. However, it still very much holds true that your argument relies on what seems to be a misconception about just how big these "Mûmakil" are. Even then, you call the foreign word for what seems to be the same animal a different species, because Hobbits saw them and reported them as larger than life? It's not an example of anything. I'm questioning the basis of your argument. You say that Mumakil are Elephants, because the map says so. The map doesn't say so. The map just says Elephants exist. I'm saying that the map shows evidence that elephants exist, and it's highly probable from the multitude of other evidence that Mûmakil are just elephants. there is one problem with you saying that mumakil are just elephants and that is that the tauredain worship mumakil and the mumakil are their sacred animals, also mumakil were considerably larger than a normal elephant or even war elephant as far as 6 tusks i have heard that too and just looked it up and it seems to be true and the tallest ellephant ever recorded was 13 ft while the lowest average height i found for mumakil was 35 feet tall and i determined that a war-horse and its rider would be about 8.4 ft tall so as far as riding around or under a mumakil i would have to say around due to the fact i cant find anything on the % of the height an elephant of mumakils legs would be and i would assume a vast majority of it is the body and head (plus there is a stomach taking up space under it) None of that is from the books, though...

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lome) 01:53, July 24, 2016 (UTC) actually according to the site i found (http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/M%C3%BBmakil) it comes directly from the red book It's all lies. None of that is from the Red Book, it was all made up by Peter JAckson. Not even Tolkien Gateway has a good, lore-accurate description of the Mumakil.

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lome) 02:41, July 24, 2016 (UTC)