Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-26296200-20151017191418/@comment-25828188-20151021181607

Arahadtheranger wrote: CaptCaptain wrote: Imrahil, you're in no position to call one of the greatest pieces of modern literature terrible, all because it uses mature themes.

The sections with Daenerys? They show how a young child is forced to grow in a dark world, and mature far more quickly than what is considered moral in our day and age. When a young girl is sold off for an army. it leaves an impression on the reader.

The sections with Asha? They show how, despite living in a misogynistic world, and an even more patriarchal culture, she would not bown down to any man, and make her own name in the world.

The attempted rape of Brienne? Shows how despite being powerful in any world, in any way, you can lose it in seconds.

The horrifying scenes with Reek? They show the desparation of a young girl and a mutilated man, a man who is so far hurt that he lost his identity.

The themes are dark, mature and Martin leaves obscure hints that are only discovered YEARS after publication, which spurs hundreds of theories. Countless debates.

His world is quite rich with lore, and he is still not finished. For anyone to call his work bad, in any sense, is to show a lack of understanding of his writing.

You haven't once shown a proper reason against the graphic detail other than "hurr i dont like it durr its not necessary" ASOIAF is a disjointed, confusing, someone-shredded-a-bunch-of-medieval-biographies-and-pasted-them-back-together-with-some-fantasy-elements-mixed-in plot. I don`t care if it`s chock full of melancholy philosophy! This isn`t what the fantasy genre is for, G.R.R. Martin. I don`t need to be reminded of the mundaneness of existence, the cold-heartedness of people, POLITICS, the lengths some bastards go for money, power, or sexual satisfaction! I don`t WANT to be reminded of such things!

If I want a world with gray morality, political intrigue, war, magic, and dragons, I`ll play Skyrim instead and actually have fun! Who`s with me? Oh this is going to be fun. Lets start.

"Disjointed" Wait, what?

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"Confusing" If you lack the time or intellect to understand some of the basic plots then you've got another thing coming, you won't be able to truly enjoy any piece of literature, unless you're into Biff, Chip and Kipper. The parts that ARE confusing are purposrefully shrouded in mystery, to relay how in the real world we do not truly understand everyone's intentions.

 "someone-shredded-a-bunch-of-medieval-biographies-and-pasted-them-back-together-with-some-fantasy-elements-mixed-in plot"  ''Oh sure, because the parts about a race of mystical frost beings, dragons, water wizards, blood magic, first men magic and such are completely medieval biographies? And you do realize nearly everything can be inferred in what you stated. Lord of the Rings, for example''

"I don't care if its chock full of melancholy philosphy!" So you don't care that it's well written with dark and mature themes? Are you 8?

The rest of what you said are what you NEED to know for real life, and oh, you can find those things in any other fantasy series. Lord of the Rings for example. Sauron and Morgoth,  Feanor, the Children of Hurin, the Kin-Strife. I could go on, but of course your narrow minded view doesn't allow you to accept that a series that is clearly too mature for you to understand is actually quite brilliantly written.

Unless you can give actual rasons as to why the series is bad, instead of "hurr I don't like it durr it's doo mature"

Anyone notice how both people trying to rip on the series have had practically the same argument? That they're quite afraid of the maturity of the real world?