Board Thread:General Mod Discussion/@comment-26149161-20150731144946/@comment-27689279-20150801202354

CaptCaptain wrote: Aarplane22 wrote: Sinthoniel wrote: 1. Of course you can write as much as you want about the topic here but it's unlikely that it will change things.

2. You seem to prefer the movie just because it's a good design, in your opinion. 1. I just addressed that, please read up.

2. I didn't state my points with my opinion, I gave the facts backed by lore and actual sources, compared to your clear opinion and bias. Please read back, nowhere did I ever say "I think it should be gold" or "I think there was real work done on the movies, based on some book lore and culture". Why? Because regardless of what you or I think, it is factually true that the movie design has many book roots. No opinion can change that. So don't make it seem like I pulled all of this from out of nowhere, or from myself.

But if you honestly, truly think that the bleak, boring, faded green armor in the mod is better than the flowing, golden, vibrant, detailed armor from the movie, then I have nothing else to tell you, but again--bias. It's right in front of you, but you refuse to see it. I can't help ya there. The amount of hypocrisy and contradicting points almost makes me not want to bother with you.

You do realize your points about how we make the mod is biased, can be used exactly for the movies? They did what they thought was best and clearly deviated from canon, and tbh it didn't pay off. I'd accept a small amount of Thranduil's Royal Guard having this armour, but an entire army of thousands? THEY'RE A BUNCH OF WOOD ELVES. It made absolutely no sense, even if the experts came up with some bullshit of how it "reflects their culture and environment". No, if they truly wanted to do that they'd make them wear mud-brown, dark green and red-tinted armour and clothes, just like what Legolas wears in LotR.

You clearly don't recognize that we do bloody appreciate the movies and WOULD use it's designs if we thought they would fit, like we've done in the past (as you've pointed out many times). The armour just doesn't fit! Your textures certainly are nice to look at, but it just doesn't suit what the rest of our mod includes.

I think that you're a bitter person who wants something to complain about therefore creates needless and unwanted arguments just to try and squeeze in his textures. Gee, if you really wanted to contribute to the mod you could have just asked nicely... :^) lol, "hypocrisy and contradicting points"? Not once have I changed my stance at any point, nor do my points conflict with each other. More or less, each of my posts have a similar ring to them, and in fact borrow many points from the previous. This makes gives them a continuity in every area of discussion. The fact that you would even try to twist it like that, means you don't read my posts thoroughly at all.

How can the movie design deviate from canon, if the books don't even give a specific quote that negates it? This is the main weakness to every point an admin/mod has put foward, and this is ultimately why my point will always stand. There is no where in the books that clearly, specifically says it can't be gold, or should be a specific color. The armor being "mud-brown, dark green, and red-tinted" is entirely your own opinion and speculation. As I've proven in the past, the movie armor is also based on various canon Mirkwood elements like yellow beech trees and red oak trees; the assumption that it's "unrealistic" is pure bias and opinion, because the design takes elements from book lore. Which makes the armor in the mod just as uncanon as the movie armor. You're trying to make it seem as if the mod is more canon than the other, just because it's from "the movies"; no, they are equally entitled to exist. Design-wise, it's undeniable that the movie armor packs more features and detail than the one currently in the mod, which gives it the slight edge over the current.

So the Wood-elven movie design "doesn't fit", but the Galadhrim movie design does? The Wood-elven movie design "doesn't fit", but the movie Balrog design does (if you want to talk canon, the balrog is supposed to look far from that)? The Wood-elven movie design "doesn't fit", but something as uncanon as the Mallorn Ent or Mountain Troll Chieftan fits in a "canon" mod? This proves once and for all, the bias that's long been overdue to be put in the spotlight.

My aim is not necessarily to get the texture in the mod, I know I will most likely not get through the bias, despite its clear real contradictions (unlike what you tried to point out about me) and clear basis on opinion. Again, why do you think the resource pack exists in the first place? And ya wanna know what happened with the "ask nicely" approach? Biased hate, like this one. And it's about time someone spoke out and balanced the scales. Again, I am not completely biased towards the movies, I appreciate both book and movie. But when the hate for the movies is completely uncalled for, that's where it needs to be called out. And I could care less about what you call me, as personal attacks on a factual matter is a fallacy in itself. Please do us all a favor and make sure your accusations like "hypocrisy, contradicting, and bitter" have factual grounds before putting it out there. :^)

 Elvenking of the Woodland Realm  20:23, August 1, 2015 (UTC)