Board Thread:Suggestions forum/@comment-174.22.192.132-20161104024309/@comment-25012056-20161202105111

Eoros wrote: Well, that's why Donald Trump doesn't want so many immagrants.

Well, scholarships are a thing nowadays. You don't need to be an Einstien to get one, you just have to be determined, and somewhat smart. Veterans may also apply for certain scholarships provided by the government (which I am fine with, because they actively served our country). As for those who can't go to college, if you live in a homeless shelter and eat from a donation food place, if you work like a dog and are disciplined and don't spend hardly anything, it is possible to get out of poverty. Millions of people who came to the U.S. did it that way. My own grandfather had to work like this, although not to such an extreme degree. With three babies to care for, at age 21.

All I have for the minimum wage argument now is that for it to be "liveable", they'd be paying about 40,000 dollars per year for low-level employees, which is crazy expensive. Compainies would have to raise prices in order to get money for janitors and guys like that. That makes consumers spend more money, so they have less income to hold on to. Which, again, part of the American dream is amassing wealth with as little government intervention as possible.

Socialism is against the American dream, which is why it is one of the few democracies that have not adopted it. If you get wealth, you should be able to enjoy it. As for a religious view on that, if they don't give anything to the poor, they'll probably go to Hell, so it's their fault.

Trust me, once you get older and start paying more taxes, you'll become a capitalist. Just look at one of those ex-hippies. They were diehard communists in the 60s, but now they are diehard capitalists. They would have laughed if someone told them they'd be thinking like a capitialist in 50 years, and you may laugh at that now, but mark my words.

I am already paying taxes, and ultimately it makes no difference. It does not matter to me how much more I have to give the IRS if it helps one person get what they need. It would be excellent if more people had this mindset, but I digress.

As for immigrants, they aren't pouring in all at once to the US like they did in Europe, and the system will restabilize anyway.

Scholarships are excellent, but there are simply too few to give to all the people who need them. Public community colleges, coupled with several other economic boosts and cuts to military spending (which is not to say letting men go, it's to say, for example, shrink our funding of warheads and the like), aren't out of the question and could indeed be very possible. Same way with welfare: it's possible to get out of poverty, but not everyone has the stamina to do it. A system to help them get there is not only morally correct, but also, if you factor in Hell as you mentioned, taxes going towards it might be saving people from Hell. :-P (Eh, that's still a very long strech. But I digress.) It doesn't kill the American dream. It just gives a bit of a push.

If you raise the minimum wage and supply college, fewer people will be going for minimum-wage jobs anyway. If restrictions are placed on how much a CEO can pay himself in relation to the lowest-paid worker in his company, then we'd see a massive shift and a close in the income gap. And if they do raise prices, it's counteracted by the newfound spending money people have from an increased wage, and so everything keeps running.

Gonna close on a more philosophical note for you all to think about. Public schools - all public schools - are a completely socialist concept. If you have been to public school, you have benefitted from socialism. So if socialism kills the American dream, does that mean remove public schooling?

(RE Rocket: So true. That's why we do it.)

Gen. Grievous1138 (LOTR Mod Wiki Admin) comlink 10:51, December 2, 2016 (UTC)