Board Thread:Suggestions forum/@comment-30778102-20170312032515/@comment-30778102-20170315225958

High King Ithilion wrote: The early ones were an exception noted by Tolkien. He theorized that the earliest orcs were

- weak Maiar

- Beasts taught to stand and speak

- Corrupted Avari (though this appears to have been unlikely based on later writings)

Ithilion, Discussions Moderator (Auta i lome) 17:16, March 15, 2017 (UTC) I disagree. I think they came from corupted elves. Men werent around and neither any other humaniod creatures besides the elves