Board Thread:General Mod Discussion/@comment-26149161-20150731144946/@comment-27689279-20150801193949

Sinthoniel wrote: Aarplane22 wrote: Sinthoniel wrote: 1. Of course you can write as much as you want about the topic here but it's unlikely that it will change things.

2. You seem to prefer the movie just because it's a good design, in your opinion. 1. I just addressed that, please read up.

2. I didn't state my points with my opinion, I gave the facts backed by lore and actual sources, compared to your clear opinion and bias. Please read back, nowhere did I ever say "I think it should be gold" or "I think there was real work done on the movies, based on some book lore and culture". Why? Because regardless of what you or I think, it is factually true that the movie design has many book roots. No opinion can change that. So don't make it seem like I pulled all of this from out of nowhere, or from myself.

But if you honestly, truly think that the bleak, boring, faded green armor in the mod is better than the flowing, golden, vibrant, detailed armor from the movie, then I have nothing else to tell you, but again--bias. It's right in front of you, but you refuse to see it. I can't help ya there. You should really think about the accusations you make about other people who are not of your opinion.

You say your posts contain no personal opinion or bias while mine are full of it. Can you tell me where in my last post I have any personal opinion? You never used the exact words "I think", sure, but that doesn't mean you never put opinion in your posts. Even in your last post, you used subjective words to compare the two armour types: "bleak, boring, faded green armor in the mod" and "flowing, golden, vibrant, detailed armor from the movie". You even act as if I prefer the mod's armour, which I never stated. I can go with whatever Mevans wants for his mod. And if I can't, it's not his fault.

But now I will give a personal opinion: When I watched the BoFA movie, I really disliked everything about the elven army. LOTR elves in my imagination have a strong indivuduality and especially wood elves avoid direct combat in favour of ambushes and ranged combat (note: this is my personal opinion). The elves in the movie never used a bow at all, allused the same heavy armour and this armour had a level of detail that even elves could never have crafted with the feudal metallurgy skills and equipment of LOTR. I would expect from the elven army to have mostly light armour, fight with bows and quick maneuvres, and that every elf fights more on his own than these perfectly trained group maneuvres. Wood elves are not used to open field battles. Also the numbers used in the movie (I counted 5000 elves in a single screen, more than twice as much as there really were in the BoFA) are just as unrealistic as everything else. No, I didn't like the wood elves of PJ's movie. Believe me when I say this, I consider every possible option when responding to a point. The sad, simple fact is what I'm saying is true. About the bias and about the "bow-down-to-Mevans" mentality. If you could deny any of it, you would've already. The only thing you've substantially proved so far is you don't like the movie design personally, without factual basis. But I have clearly put foward factual analysis, lore, and logical reasons. If you don't like the accusations, sorry about it, but I can't change the truth.

Your response may not have much apparent opinion, but that doesn't mean it has much fact either (unlike mine). My posts are not solely based on opinion or bias, unlike yours, and here's why. In your previous response, you brought up no actual facts that disprove my claims. I brought up real lore, culture, and factual standpoints that the movie designers used to make the movie armor. The most you brought up is that the mod is "Mevans' and the admins' world". You make it how "you want it to be" (you clearly said that), and you choose which source it comes from based on whether you like it or not. But there is nothing lore-wise that you can pull up that suggests that the armor in the mod is more canon than the movie. If anything, Mevans' world is as uncanon as Peter Jackson's, as many design choices were based off speculation.

And me using "subjective" words? I mean, if you use your eyes and honestly, logically, objectively putting the two designs next to each other and really comparing their differences, you can't deny that those words are more or less true. "Vibrant and gold", well that isn't false. "Boring and bleak", when compared to the many more features the movie design has (detailed shield, curved sword, distinct horns), is more or less true. Logically, it's undeniable, and there's really no other way it can be said, whether you want to deem it "subjective" or not.

The only real thing that can disprove these claims is a specific quote from lore (that negates the Wood-elven armor being gold), and there is nothing in the book that says otherwise. If there was, I wouldn't be here. As I've said in the past, these matters are left for speculation, making the mod design and movie design equally uncanon. And unlike you, I don't need to write an essay of pure personal opinion to at least try and back my stance, because I speak from truth and fact (which is backed by the book). Until you can pull something from lore that disproves my point, other than personal opinion and waving Mevans as somehow superior in all matters (again), my point still stands.

 Elvenking of the Woodland Realm  19:39, August 1, 2015 (UTC)