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<p>Okay guys, let's list actions that Sauron or the free people's that could have ended the war quicker.
</p><p>1. Sauron could have enlisted Easterlings to help conquer Erebor during the hobbit or directly ask Smaug to be friends instead of letting him die and whatever his stupid plan was. Having Erebor and a dragon would basically mean Gondor would be crushed and Rohan burned to the ground as well as freeing the Easterlings to attack the elves
</p><p>2. If Mirkwood sent troops to free Dale and erebor from the Easterlings
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<p>Edacnik wrote:
A reply to Legoarmy:
</p><p>Sauron probably did enlist Easterlings to attack Dale. However, simply put, it's speculated the Blue Wizards foiled this plan.
</p><p>Smaug, however, probably would not listen to Sauron. It's fairly certain only Morgoth himself controlled the dragons.
</p><p>As for your second point... Easterlings never took Erebor or Dale.
</p><p>As you can see, no stupid mistakes where made, but rather Sauron was inconvenienced.
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<p>The free Easterlings could not control the north west area of rhun unless during the war of the ring they were destroyed before Easterlings sieges erebor. I do believe that sauron was still mustering troops from there so he may not want to spend them. </p><p>Smaug is a dragon who would listen to morgorth but Sauron was morgorth's right hand man and had control over many other Maia which are superior to Smaug. But you could say Sauron was still getting strength so Smaug won't follow him. </p>
<p>The free Easterlings could not control the north west area of rhun unless during the war of the ring they were destroyed before Easterlings sieges erebor. I do believe that sauron was still mustering troops from there so he may not want to spend them. </p><p>Smaug is a dragon who would listen to morgorth but Sauron was morgorth's right hand man and had control over many other Maia which are superior to Smaug. But you could say Sauron was still getting strength so Smaug won't follow him. </p>
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<p>Also, the bane of durin, once he was awoken, Gandalf knew about him so Sauron must have too. Sauron would have been better by placing him in mordor and just sending more troops to khazad - dum as well as having a fake Barlog made of poles, thin fabric and lots of lanterns
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Durin's Bane anwsered only to Morgoth he was simply waiting and hiding out for his master.
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<div class="quote"><i>Legoarmy505 wrote:
<p>1. Sauron could have enlisted Easterlings to help conquer Erebor during the hobbit
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<p>The attack on Erebor in The Hobbit was not Sauron's doing, though had he known about it he most likely would hae been in support of it. </p><p>
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<p>The attack on Erebor in The Hobbit was not Sauron's doing, though had he known about it he most likely would hae been in support of it. </p><p>
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<p>Legoarmy505 wrote:
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<p>Edacnik wrote:
A reply to Legoarmy:
</p><p>Sauron probably did enlist Easterlings to attack Dale. However, simply put, it's speculated the Blue Wizards foiled this plan.
</p><p>Smaug, however, probably would not listen to Sauron. It's fairly certain only Morgoth himself controlled the dragons.
</p><p>As for your second point... Easterlings never took Erebor or Dale.
</p><p>As you can see, no stupid mistakes where made, but rather Sauron was inconvenienced.
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<p>The free Easterlings could not control the north west area of rhun unless during the war of the ring they were destroyed before Easterlings sieges erebor. I do believe that sauron was still mustering troops from there so he may not want to spend them. </p><p>Smaug is a dragon who would listen to morgorth but Sauron was morgorth's right hand man and had control over many other Maia which are superior to Smaug. But you could say Sauron was still getting strength so Smaug won't follow him. </p> </div> <p>I don't quite get what you just said, however, I will try to answer as best I can. </p><p>As far as we know, the Free Easterlings never <i>controlled</i> anything. However, it's not far fetched to speculate the Blie Wizards had a large hand in stopping the Rhunic peoples from invading Erebor as we do know the Blue Wizards went into the east on a mission. </p><p>Does Morgoth have the power to corrupt things into dragons? Yes. Does Sauron? No. Sauron was simply Morgoth's lieutenant, not Morgoth himself. </p>
<p>The free Easterlings could not control the north west area of rhun unless during the war of the ring they were destroyed before Easterlings sieges erebor. I do believe that sauron was still mustering troops from there so he may not want to spend them. </p><p>Smaug is a dragon who would listen to morgorth but Sauron was morgorth's right hand man and had control over many other Maia which are superior to Smaug. But you could say Sauron was still getting strength so Smaug won't follow him. </p> </div> <p>I don't quite get what you just said, however, I will try to answer as best I can. </p><p>As far as we know, the Free Easterlings never <i>controlled</i> anything. However, it's not far fetched to speculate the Blie Wizards had a large hand in stopping the Rhunic peoples from invading Erebor as we do know the Blue Wizards went into the east on a mission. </p><p>Does Morgoth have the power to corrupt things into dragons? Yes. Does Sauron? No. Sauron was simply Morgoth's lieutenant, not Morgoth himself. </p>
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<p>The free Easterlings had a key part in stopping the forces of rhun from overpowering the west, also Sauron is a Maia and had more authority than smaug
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<p>Free people win by uniting and stormming mordor, Dwarves, Elves, men, surround mordor, and invade, with frodo following up with the ring. to destroy it afterwords
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<p>For the record, I do believe that Durin's Bane did in fact recognize Sauron's authority, and Smaug would have too, had he been around in TWoTR.
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<p>Sauron's biggest mistake: Not posting a single guard at the entrance to Mount Doom.
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<p>Legoarmy505 wrote:
The free Easterlings had a key part in stopping the forces of rhun from overpowering the west, also Sauron is a Maia and had more authority than smaug
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<p>Where not you just complaining about how Sauron shouldn't have used more Rhunic man power, then you say this? What are you even arguing now? </p><p>Slightly. Sauron might have been slightly more powerful than Smaug, but here's the difference: </p><p>Morgoth is a fallen Valar. </p><p>Sauron is a fallen Maia, and so is Smaug, so technically Sauron and Smaug are pretty much just as powerful. </p><p>I really don't see the point in further discussing this as you don't seem to be noticing my points in the slightest. </p>
<p>Where not you just complaining about how Sauron shouldn't have used more Rhunic man power, then you say this? What are you even arguing now? </p><p>Slightly. Sauron might have been slightly more powerful than Smaug, but here's the difference: </p><p>Morgoth is a fallen Valar. </p><p>Sauron is a fallen Maia, and so is Smaug, so technically Sauron and Smaug are pretty much just as powerful. </p><p>I really don't see the point in further discussing this as you don't seem to be noticing my points in the slightest. </p>
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