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ALL POSTS[Endorsed] Horse jump nerf
<p>Some of you may wonder why to nerf horse jump since almost nobody uses horse cause of many different reasons. The reason is that first it's just common logic, i don't think that a horse could jump 10m height no matter the world and 2nd cause it renders some defences useless like if your walls aren't high enough (12 blocks at least) and the rider is persistent he can get inside your place. Spiders are ok in that manner i guess since they are spiders. So that's why i believe that all horses should be nerfed to be able to jump 3-4 blocks at most.
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<p>It's not. The only problem you've found is small forts with NPCs exposed to the open air, as people have admitted that castles can have big walls, and it is easy to stop horses from getting onto walls. Here's the thing.. If you don't want people to be able to get in and access the build, why do you need NPCs exposed to the air? Why not have them in buildings with a gate, so only people who can legitimately open the fort's gate - and are people you want in - can access the NPCs? Then anyone who got in while no players were online to stop them can harm the NPCs.
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<p>You could simply surround your building with mines, and I'd honestly be more worried about rhinos :P
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<p>Recneps wrote:
It's not. The only problem you've found is small forts with NPCs exposed to the open air, as people have admitted that castles can have big walls, and it is easy to stop horses from getting onto walls. Here's the thing.. If you don't want people to be able to get in and access the build, why do you need NPCs exposed to the air? Why not have them in buildings with a gate, so only people who can legitimately open the fort's gate - and are people you want in - can access the NPCs? Then anyone who got in while no players were online to stop them can harm the NPCs.
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<p>A build not open to the air looks rather ugly as a castle for one, two, when I know people are trying to actually attack an area, I usually erect a simple palisade and ditch, which I don't expect to have to make twenty blocks high just to stop people jumping over it on horses. They're usually four blocks, or so, with a two block ditch and quagmire in front of it to try and trap the attacking force. This also means if people are allowed to take bombs and such info these attacks, the damage is done outside the build. A simple wall, which is usually fairly secure, but which presents no obstacle at all to some of these crazy horses. </p><p>You seem to think that we're talking about times when protection is always on. At those times, yes, it's fairly easy to lock your build up, but in times of war, if you're actually going to fight you have to get rid of all that. </p><p>Not to mention that NPC's patrolling the walls have a much better aim and so on, so can actually fire at the enemies, when they're closer to the ground and in a more open environment. </p><p>This isn't about harming NPC's. There are so many things that get you so many coins that by the time you're building these, it's hardly a setback to be losing a few NPC's. </p><p>This is about completely overruling natural defensive mechanisms. That mountain that should've secured your flank that you have an anti-spider wall on top of? Well, that's useless against crazy horses. Those progrsssively bigger walls as you get inside? The first eight are now useless. </p><p>I think I'm making myself quite clear here. It shouldn't be necessary to build crazily high walls just to prevent horses getting over them. </p>
<p>A build not open to the air looks rather ugly as a castle for one, two, when I know people are trying to actually attack an area, I usually erect a simple palisade and ditch, which I don't expect to have to make twenty blocks high just to stop people jumping over it on horses. They're usually four blocks, or so, with a two block ditch and quagmire in front of it to try and trap the attacking force. This also means if people are allowed to take bombs and such info these attacks, the damage is done outside the build. A simple wall, which is usually fairly secure, but which presents no obstacle at all to some of these crazy horses. </p><p>You seem to think that we're talking about times when protection is always on. At those times, yes, it's fairly easy to lock your build up, but in times of war, if you're actually going to fight you have to get rid of all that. </p><p>Not to mention that NPC's patrolling the walls have a much better aim and so on, so can actually fire at the enemies, when they're closer to the ground and in a more open environment. </p><p>This isn't about harming NPC's. There are so many things that get you so many coins that by the time you're building these, it's hardly a setback to be losing a few NPC's. </p><p>This is about completely overruling natural defensive mechanisms. That mountain that should've secured your flank that you have an anti-spider wall on top of? Well, that's useless against crazy horses. Those progrsssively bigger walls as you get inside? The first eight are now useless. </p><p>I think I'm making myself quite clear here. It shouldn't be necessary to build crazily high walls just to prevent horses getting over them. </p>
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<p>If you're arguing for it being changed not for actual defensive reasons, but for making logical, normal defenses useless, I can agree.
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<p>Recneps wrote:
If you're arguing for it being changed not for actual defensive reasons, but for making logical, normal defenses useless, I can agree.
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<p>Yeah. Admittedly, I'm the only one crazy enough to make walls only a few blocks high around large areas and with more than one layer to it, but it's still annoying to see your modular design fail because of horses. </p>
<p>Yeah. Admittedly, I'm the only one crazy enough to make walls only a few blocks high around large areas and with more than one layer to it, but it's still annoying to see your modular design fail because of horses. </p>
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<p>I personally think that the evil mounts need to be nerfed. Spiders especially are too OP. They're super fast, venomous, can climb walls, AND they can swim! I personally think that maybe the climbing should only be possible when there's a firm enough grip (maybe 3 flat blocks across on a wall) for the spider to climb.
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<p>Raedus, any place where there is an isolated pillar, they essentially do have 3 flat blocks, as they can wrap their arms around it. In fact, any place where they don't have 3 flat blocks, they still have 3 flat faces they can access.
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<p>i think my brother dire had one that could jump 12 blocks high, at one point he did rohiric horse breeding for arnor on isildurs bane and he got horses going over 20 bps
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</p><p>also i agree with that, but for spiders any sort of overhang on the walls prevents that, then all you have to do is flatten land around the walls and have them 12+ blocks high, impenetrable. (unless you were stupid enough not to banner it) </p>
</p><p>also i agree with that, but for spiders any sort of overhang on the walls prevents that, then all you have to do is flatten land around the walls and have them 12+ blocks high, impenetrable. (unless you were stupid enough not to banner it) </p>
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<p>You can call horses OP, but spiders can go on every wall if they haven't put a little stick out piece like a slab or stair.
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<p>I look at it this way:
</p><p>"Evil" has spiders that can climb endlessly high walls and wargs that can devour your enemies, yet horses that jump high are such a problem? I know this is a bit of a realism problem, but a Minecraft player can carry a literal stone mountain.
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