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<p>When villages were added to the Mod, they made Middle Earth feel not so empty anymore. They have villagers, houses and stuff, but one thing that is missing are children. I think it would be nice if they added children.
</p><p>The following factions will have children: Gondor, Rohan, Dunedain, Rhudel, Near Harad, Moredain, Tauredain and Dale. Children would spawn along with adult NPCs in groups of 1-4. They wouldn't be too common but not too rare. They will wear similar clothes as their parents and will be smaller than regular sized NPCs, about half as tall or a bit less.
</p><p>Child NPCs would run around and chase each other or tag along with their parents. If you have negative alignment with them they will run away to their parents or into a structure when they saw you coming. If you have low alignment (1-100) they will let you get close but run if you get too close. If you have high alignment with them (100+) they would talk to you and follow you around for a bit. They will also accept "gifts" like Cram, Dalish Crackers, Hats, Berries and other stuff like that if you right click on them while holding it.
</p><p>Killing child NPCs would make you lose tons of alignment even if you already have low alignment with their faction because killing children is generaly frowned upon.
</p><p>Let me hear your feedback and tell me if somethings should be different
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<p>Well, it is not <i>known.</i> It is true they were stated to be elves at one point, yes, but then Tolkien went back and said they actually might have been men... (typical) so it´s open to debate.
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<p>Elves was the original thought, but in the end he decided they were either educated beasts, the weakest of the Umaiar, or, most likely, men.
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<p>How does this always happen to these messages... YOU PUNKY LORE FREAKS! GET OFF MY LAWN!
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<p>High King Ithilion wrote:
Elves was the original thought, but in the end he decided they were either educated beasts, the weakest of the Umaiar, or, most likely, men.
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<p>Tolkien never decided that orcs were men. He said he thought they <i>might</i> have been, big difference there, and since he never made <i>stated</i> they were men, it is left to the reader to interpret and theorize. </p><p>They are several problems with orcs being men in my mind, not the least that orcs were around tens of thousands of years before the first men came to Middle Earth, as Aiglos pointed out. Could they have been ¨something else¨ such as Maiar or beasts at first, before being ¨reinvented¨ from men? That´s looking for basis to support a conclusion, rather than looking for a conclusion to draw from basis. </p><p>We know that Melkor was doing <i>something</i> with elves in Utumno around the time orcs first appeared, and we know that Sarauman at least thought orcs came from elves. </p>
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</i></div><p>Tolkien never decided that orcs were men. He said he thought they <i>might</i> have been, big difference there, and since he never made <i>stated</i> they were men, it is left to the reader to interpret and theorize. </p><p>They are several problems with orcs being men in my mind, not the least that orcs were around tens of thousands of years before the first men came to Middle Earth, as Aiglos pointed out. Could they have been ¨something else¨ such as Maiar or beasts at first, before being ¨reinvented¨ from men? That´s looking for basis to support a conclusion, rather than looking for a conclusion to draw from basis. </p><p>We know that Melkor was doing <i>something</i> with elves in Utumno around the time orcs first appeared, and we know that Sarauman at least thought orcs came from elves. </p>
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<p>And Saruman was a Maia/Istari so I think he would probably know vrs a random gondorian wondering where orcs come from story of the Fell Beasts (Birds) and Mirkwood spiders (Bees).
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<div class="quote"> <p>High King Ithilion wrote: Elves was the original thought, but in the end he decided they were either educated beasts, the weakest of the Umaiar, or, most likely, men. </p><p><font face="centaur"> <span style="background-color:#000099; border:3px ridge Silver"> <font color="Silver">Ithilion, Discussions Moderator</font><sup><font color="Silver">(Auta i lome)</font></sup></span></font> 02:08, March 16, 2017 (UTC)
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Tolkien never decided that orcs were men. He said he thought they <i>might</i> have been, big difference there, and since he never made <i>stated</i> they were men, it is left to the reader to interpret and theorize. <p>They are several problems with orcs being men in my mind, not the least that orcs were around tens of thousands of years before the first men came to Middle Earth, as Aiglos pointed out. Could they have been ¨something else¨ such as Maiar or beasts at first, before being ¨reinvented¨ from men? That´s looking for basis to support a conclusion, rather than looking for a conclusion to draw from basis. </p><p>We know that Melkor was doing <i>something</i> with elves in Utumno around the time orcs first appeared, and we know that Sarauman at least thought orcs came from elves. </p> </div> <p>He said that men were the likliest explanation, so that's the way I'm going to go. It is a common rule that whatever he wrote later is the truth, so that would point to Umaiar and Beasts, then later Men. </p><p>Also, i don't recall Melkor being stated as doing anything (though the published Silmarillion does mention orcs being tortured Elves, it is out of date with Tolkien's letters here). Nor does Saruman think it, for that is a movie invention. </p><p><font face="centaur"> <span style="background-color:#000099; border:3px ridge Silver"> <font color="Silver">Ithilion, Discussions Moderator</font><sup><font color="Silver">(Auta i lome)</font></sup></span></font> 11:29, March 16, 2017 (UTC)
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<div class="quote"> <p>High King Ithilion wrote: Elves was the original thought, but in the end he decided they were either educated beasts, the weakest of the Umaiar, or, most likely, men. </p><p>
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</i></div>Tolkien never decided that orcs were men. He said he thought they <i>might</i> have been, big difference there, and since he never made <i>stated</i> they were men, it is left to the reader to interpret and theorize. <p>They are several problems with orcs being men in my mind, not the least that orcs were around tens of thousands of years before the first men came to Middle Earth, as Aiglos pointed out. Could they have been ¨something else¨ such as Maiar or beasts at first, before being ¨reinvented¨ from men? That´s looking for basis to support a conclusion, rather than looking for a conclusion to draw from basis. </p><p>We know that Melkor was doing <i>something</i> with elves in Utumno around the time orcs first appeared, and we know that Sarauman at least thought orcs came from elves. </p> </div> <p>He said that men were the likliest explanation, so that's the way I'm going to go. It is a common rule that whatever he wrote later is the truth, so that would point to Umaiar and Beasts, then later Men. </p><p>Also, i don't recall Melkor being stated as doing anything (though the published Silmarillion does mention orcs being tortured Elves, it is out of date with Tolkien's letters here). Nor does Saruman think it, for that is a movie invention. </p><p>
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No Dorwinion children?
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<p>I assume that was an oversight. Dunno though, maybe he doesn't want Dorwinion to continue....
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<p>Or Dunland children, for that matter...
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Or Dunland children, for that matter..</i></div>
<p>Dunland is already so manly that all the children would look just like their normal NPCs. </p>
Or Dunland children, for that matter..</i></div>
<p>Dunland is already so manly that all the children would look just like their normal NPCs. </p>
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