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<p>As a player primarly playing in evil factions, I've noticed that wargs tend to be pretty much useless as both mounts and hired units. So, I suggest just a little bit of a buff for them.
</p><p>First of all, warg health should be increased from between 18 and 40 to between 30 and 40. Why? Because such low health just doesn't make sense compared to the health of some other mobs. Lions, which are actually supposed to be much smaller animals, already have 40 health (in this mod tho, they appear to be around the same size for some reason..). Increasing hit points would also make them a bit more useful for combat, since while playing Durin's folk I noticed that warg invasions are ridiculously easy to defeat compared to any other invasions.
</p><p>Second, their speed. All the wargs except for some Gundabad wargs, tend to be useless as mounts since their speed is so slow. Even for Gundabad wargs, finding one which could even get close to a swift horse or a rhino, is very difficult. So, I suggest, that their speed as mounts is increased. Gundabad wargs should be somewhere around Rohirric horses (after all, they are supposed to outrun you..) and the other faction wargs shouldn't be the speed of a giraffe.
</p><p>Last, but not the least, wargs should be able to jump while mounted. They clearly can jump while not mounted, I constantly see them trying to hump walls and other things that get in their way. They definitly did jump in the movies and pretty sure that so did they in the books. Their jump wouldn't be as impressive as horses of Rohan, but 2-3 blocks of jump height would already make them way more useful.
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<p>Great, so now those bombadier wargs will be as fast as rohirric horses, how are good players supposed to avoid being blown up?
</p><p>EDIT: Ups, necro.
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<p>So the side that already has way stronger units, now gets mounts with 40 health, that are as fast as Rohirrim horses, and can carry triple strength orc bombs while flying at you? Come on, good doesn’t even have a Warg equivalent really, as very few good mounts you see in the game do damage, and none attack you without being hit first. This would take an already unbalanced game and make it virtually unplayable for the good side.
</p><p>Rather, I think that the way mounts/mounted troops in general should be reworked to make all mounted troops useful, as very few of them are useful right now.
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Their fangs could have poison! <p>Like Carcharoth! </p> </i></div>
<p>Not every warg was raised by Morgoth. </p><p><font color="#8A0808">Jurassic Sean</font><font color="#8A0808"> of Tol Hîth </font> <sup><font color="#8A0808">Visit my Park!</font></sup></p>
Their fangs could have poison! <p>Like Carcharoth! </p> </i></div>
<p>Not every warg was raised by Morgoth. </p><p><font color="#8A0808">Jurassic Sean</font><font color="#8A0808"> of Tol Hîth </font> <sup><font color="#8A0808">Visit my Park!</font></sup></p>
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<p>Have you ever fought against them as a "good" player? One might be easy to kill with a pike, but try to fight an invasion of normal wargs and you'll be fleeing faster than you know. If you boost even more speed and HP they'll be too deadly.
</p><p>As said before, the difference between horses and wargs is that wargs actually do damage when mounted, and thus have to be balanced with the other aspects (speed and HP). Rhinos, which also do damage while mounted are also slow, and idk if you've ever seen a rhino run irl but they're pretty dang fast too. And as individual NPCs I don't know how you can say they have to be faster when they already are quite fast and deadly in bigger numbers
</p><p>Oh and about making them also posionous, well got no answer to that xD like come one, a mount which already inflicts damage, while you can carry a morgul blade with infernal mounting it + poison? I don't know what you're trying to accomplish with that except the nightmare of good-evil balancing
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<p>Exactly! When I play good, about half the times I die it’s from a ton of wargs that I can’t outrun. In contrast, when I’m bad I never find a good unit that kills me cause i can’t outrun them. You can kill wimpy Rohirrim all day
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<div class="quote"><i>ThranduilKing wrote:
Have you ever fought against them as a "good" player? One might be easy to kill with a pike, but try to fight an invasion of normal wargs and you'll be fleeing faster than you know. If you boost even more speed and HP they'll be too deadly. <p>As said before, the difference between horses and wargs is that wargs actually do damage when mounted, and thus have to be balanced with the other aspects (speed and HP). Rhinos, which also do damage while mounted are also slow, and idk if you've ever seen a rhino run irl but they're pretty dang fast too. And as individual NPCs I don't know how you can say they have to be faster when they already are quite fast and deadly in bigger numbers </p><p>Oh and about making them also posionous, well got no answer to that xD like come one, a mount which already inflicts damage, while you can carry a morgul blade with infernal mounting it + poison? I don't know what you're trying to accomplish with that except the nightmare of good-evil balancing </p> </i></div>
<p>Wargs get shredded really easily if you're fighting them from any defensive position. </p><p>Literally just hiding in a Dwarven forge is enough to completely ruin an entire invasion, provided that you have a spear with enough durability to kill them. </p><p>Making wargs stronger out in the open wouldn't be too OP since you're not supposed to fight them in the open anyways. The buffed wargs would just emphasize the need to hunker down somewhere when fighting them so you don't get overwhelmed. </p>
Have you ever fought against them as a "good" player? One might be easy to kill with a pike, but try to fight an invasion of normal wargs and you'll be fleeing faster than you know. If you boost even more speed and HP they'll be too deadly. <p>As said before, the difference between horses and wargs is that wargs actually do damage when mounted, and thus have to be balanced with the other aspects (speed and HP). Rhinos, which also do damage while mounted are also slow, and idk if you've ever seen a rhino run irl but they're pretty dang fast too. And as individual NPCs I don't know how you can say they have to be faster when they already are quite fast and deadly in bigger numbers </p><p>Oh and about making them also posionous, well got no answer to that xD like come one, a mount which already inflicts damage, while you can carry a morgul blade with infernal mounting it + poison? I don't know what you're trying to accomplish with that except the nightmare of good-evil balancing </p> </i></div>
<p>Wargs get shredded really easily if you're fighting them from any defensive position. </p><p>Literally just hiding in a Dwarven forge is enough to completely ruin an entire invasion, provided that you have a spear with enough durability to kill them. </p><p>Making wargs stronger out in the open wouldn't be too OP since you're not supposed to fight them in the open anyways. The buffed wargs would just emphasize the need to hunker down somewhere when fighting them so you don't get overwhelmed. </p>
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wargs are so week you can kill them in like two hits and wargs were supposed to be giant wolves which were strong enough to know down treess.
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30 kudos and no endorsment oof
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<p>Why do you want a buff? If anything you should be giving the good an equaliser mount!
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I think wargs are too powerful and good needs horses that can deal damage. Honestly in good you kill the rider the mount is useless. In bad you kill the rider and the ridden tries to eat you. Am i the only one who sees a problem there?
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