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<p>As a player primarly playing in evil factions, I've noticed that wargs tend to be pretty much useless as both mounts and hired units. So, I suggest just a little bit of a buff for them.
</p><p>First of all, warg health should be increased from between 18 and 40 to between 30 and 40. Why? Because such low health just doesn't make sense compared to the health of some other mobs. Lions, which are actually supposed to be much smaller animals, already have 40 health (in this mod tho, they appear to be around the same size for some reason..). Increasing hit points would also make them a bit more useful for combat, since while playing Durin's folk I noticed that warg invasions are ridiculously easy to defeat compared to any other invasions.
</p><p>Second, their speed. All the wargs except for some Gundabad wargs, tend to be useless as mounts since their speed is so slow. Even for Gundabad wargs, finding one which could even get close to a swift horse or a rhino, is very difficult. So, I suggest, that their speed as mounts is increased. Gundabad wargs should be somewhere around Rohirric horses (after all, they are supposed to outrun you..) and the other faction wargs shouldn't be the speed of a giraffe.
</p><p>Last, but not the least, wargs should be able to jump while mounted. They clearly can jump while not mounted, I constantly see them trying to hump walls and other things that get in their way. They definitly did jump in the movies and pretty sure that so did they in the books. Their jump wouldn't be as impressive as horses of Rohan, but 2-3 blocks of jump height would already make them way more useful.
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<p>Shinare of Woofland Realm wrote:
I agree the wargs could use some changes, but I think they still should not be made as good wtravelling mounts as horses.
Perhaps wargs should have the health boost you suggested, and some speed boost. But don't make them faster than non-rohan horses. And they should only jump 3-4 blocks max, making them able to jump over minor obstacles, but they would not jump as well as horses.
</p><p>However, they do attack enemies when unmounted, which also contributes to their violent nature. Maybe they could also bite if the rider gets too close to enemy? (Not sure if it happens already, I don't ride wargs)
Then if we want to make wargs more OP, make their victims give a second of slowness after bite, as if the fangs are holding you for a moment.
</p><p>Then, because wargs often also hunt alone or with other wargs, they would not be as used to mounted combat. So their stats could be reduced when mounted, which would make unmounting a warg a useful option too.
</p><p>Now a warg would be a formidable foe, not something you finish just because they make their riders faster
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<p>Only Gundabad wargs would gain the "insane" speed boost. If high-speed Rohirric horse levels are too insane, then maybe they could have the speed value of swan knight horses, which are still decent as far as I know. Or maybe, have the lower limit of a swan knight horse and the upper limit of a rohan horse, making extremly fast units rarer? I'm pretty sure wargs can fight enemies while a player is fighting them, I was once in Rohan and a mounted warrior outran me but the got killed by my warg. I am not a big fan of the 3rd idea tho, sorry. </p>
<p>Only Gundabad wargs would gain the "insane" speed boost. If high-speed Rohirric horse levels are too insane, then maybe they could have the speed value of swan knight horses, which are still decent as far as I know. Or maybe, have the lower limit of a swan knight horse and the upper limit of a rohan horse, making extremly fast units rarer? I'm pretty sure wargs can fight enemies while a player is fighting them, I was once in Rohan and a mounted warrior outran me but the got killed by my warg. I am not a big fan of the 3rd idea tho, sorry. </p>
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<p>IronJaw333 wrote:
I totally agree.
</p><p>I have an idea on the SPEED difference of the wargs. Say the wargs of Gundabad will be faster than all the other wargs in orc places. (the equivalent of rohan horses, warg-wise, but not as fast as rohan horses.)
</p><p>Then I think 2nd fastest would be angmar? Again, just a thought...
</p><p>3rd fastest would be Mordor, because Im not even sure the books ever MENTIONED wargs in mordor...
</p><p>and dol guldur has spiders.
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<p>Isengard has wargs too. Read what I already replied about warg speed. Also, currently, DG spiders seem to be ridicuolosly fast and way speedier than any warg I've ever seen.. </p>
<p>Isengard has wargs too. Read what I already replied about warg speed. Also, currently, DG spiders seem to be ridicuolosly fast and way speedier than any warg I've ever seen.. </p>
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<p>The thing is, if you make the wargs just as fast as the best horses you can find, with the only con being that they can't jump as high, it will be pretty unbalanced. At least in my opinion.
</p><p>I mean. They'd be just as fast as rohirric horses, but can't jump as high. BUT they can attack, they fight on their own, they have their own invasions, which can make finding good warg easy
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<p>SAY: IDEA! *ding*
</p><p>What if you can give your horse/warg/steed "modifiers". As in, invisible upgrades? These could depend off of:
</p><p>The food you feed it/how much you feed it, etc.
</p><p>How much you ride it/for how long.
</p><p>How much health its at...
</p><p>Ideas?
</p><p>Example: if I feed my horse apples and wheat regularly, or say, my warg pork and beef regularly, it would be a LOT faster than a warg which has never eaten/a warg which just got a stack of chicken shoved down its throat...
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<p>Shinare of Woofland Realm wrote:
The thing is, if you make the wargs just as fast as the best horses you can find, with the only con being that they can't jump as high, it will be pretty unbalanced. At least in my opinion.
</p><p>I mean. They'd be just as fast as rohirric horses, but can't jump as high. BUT they can attack, they fight on their own, they have their own invasions, which can make finding good warg easy
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<p>Only the best wargs would be as good as the best horses. Not all Rohan horses come ridiculously fast. All DG spiders or rhinos tend to come close to the best horses anyway.. Also, their speed would only be applied when an entity is riding them, keep in mind that rhinoes for example move way slower when you punch 'em. </p>
<p>Only the best wargs would be as good as the best horses. Not all Rohan horses come ridiculously fast. All DG spiders or rhinos tend to come close to the best horses anyway.. Also, their speed would only be applied when an entity is riding them, keep in mind that rhinoes for example move way slower when you punch 'em. </p>
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<p>i completely agree thatw args are pretty much useless form playing as isengard and gundabad on different servers
</p><p>they need a boost!
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<p>Their fangs could have poison!
</p><p>Like Carcharoth!
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<p>Pg 292, the Silmarillion.
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<p>Great, so now those bombadier wargs will be as fast as rohirric horses, how are good players supposed to avoid being blown up?
</p><p>EDIT: Ups, necro.
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<p>So the side that already has way stronger units, now gets mounts with 40 health, that are as fast as Rohirrim horses, and can carry triple strength orc bombs while flying at you? Come on, good doesn’t even have a Warg equivalent really, as very few good mounts you see in the game do damage, and none attack you without being hit first. This would take an already unbalanced game and make it virtually unplayable for the good side.
</p><p>Rather, I think that the way mounts/mounted troops in general should be reworked to make all mounted troops useful, as very few of them are useful right now.
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