I was messing around in a creative world and I noticed that the warriors of Rohan get absolutely steamrolled by the Uruk-hai that spawn frequently in their territory. I think they need some sort of buff as a mounted Rohirrim warrior gets destroyed by a single Uruk. I don't know how best this should be done, only that I think it should.
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Foeslayer12 wrote:
Thats the point The Rohirrim were very weak when the uruk-hai came
Thats the point The Rohirrim were very weak when the uruk-hai came
Not really, a mounted Rohirrim could go toe to toe with any Uruk, it's just that Saruman took inintiative and overwhelmed Rohan's defenses with sheer numbers, he sent his entire army out while Rohirrim were scattered in small pockets that were easily overwhelmed. Rohirrim should get a damage buff when on horses to simulate charge, you can't very well simulate the physics of it but you can give them an effect that would act kinda like strength potion, or just give them strength 3 when on horses.
(edited by Samoja1)
Samoja1 wrote:
Not really, a mounted Rohirrim could go toe to toe with any Uruk, it's just that Saruman took inintiative and overwhelmed Rohan's defenses with sheer numbers, he sent his entire army out while Rohirrim were scattered in small pockets that were easily overwhelmed. Rohirrim should get a damage buff when on horses to simulate charge, you can't very well simulate the physics of it but you can give them an effect that would act kinda like strength potion, or just give them strength 3 when on horses.
Foeslayer12 wrote:
Thats the point The Rohirrim were very weak when the uruk-hai came
Thats the point The Rohirrim were very weak when the uruk-hai came
Not really, a mounted Rohirrim could go toe to toe with any Uruk, it's just that Saruman took inintiative and overwhelmed Rohan's defenses with sheer numbers, he sent his entire army out while Rohirrim were scattered in small pockets that were easily overwhelmed. Rohirrim should get a damage buff when on horses to simulate charge, you can't very well simulate the physics of it but you can give them an effect that would act kinda like strength potion, or just give them strength 3 when on horses.
Yes I think they need something like that.
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I definately agree the strength of Uruks (Both Isengard and especially Black Uruks) is inordinate given the information we get in the books. For a reference on how Uruk-hai fare in combat against dismounted Rohirrim, see the chapter dedicated to the Battles of The Fords of Isen in Unfinished Tales. Both sides take heavy casualties, although the orcs considerably more, and at one point, a shield wall formed by the Rohirrim was unable to be breached by the Uruk-hai, requiring the intervention of Saruman's Dunlendings.
Given this information, and for the sake of gameplay balance, I think the standard warrior of Rohan and a standard Uruk-hai should be roughly equal in capability. Of course exceptions to this would be made in the cases of special units like Beserkers, Marshals, etc.
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Drake of Gondolin wrote:
I think the buff should come in the form of rohirrim marshalls spawning, with a spawn rate equivalent to black uruks to mordor orcs in mordor.
I think the buff should come in the form of rohirrim marshalls spawning, with a spawn rate equivalent to black uruks to mordor orcs in mordor.
Rohirrim Marshalls are captains. I agree that Rohan needs better troops, but Marshalls? That ain't it chief.
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ArcenGamer wrote:
Rohirrim Marshalls are captains. I agree that Rohan needs better troops, but Marshalls? That ain't it chief.
Drake of Gondolin wrote:
I think the buff should come in the form of rohirrim marshalls spawning, with a spawn rate equivalent to black uruks to mordor orcs in mordor.
I think the buff should come in the form of rohirrim marshalls spawning, with a spawn rate equivalent to black uruks to mordor orcs in mordor.
Rohirrim Marshalls are captains. I agree that Rohan needs better troops, but Marshalls? That ain't it chief.
Why not? Marshalls were the leaders of their armies, and Eomer had a whole bunch of them at his disposal, so why not be able to hire them like all other factions and their "elite" troops. It would be a nice addition, since the rohirrim don't require pledging to hire any units.
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But the health would be better on the Uruk-hai than rohirim but they should still be close. I would say about 55 health on Uruk-hai and 30-35 on rohirim. But bombardiers are an essential new mob for Isengard. Still, warg bombardiers are overpowered with a standard orc bomb. Ramp it down. At Helm’s Deep the most the berserker’s did was blow a hole small in the wall and if that is the best Saurman could do that’s not greater than a standard TNT block. The orc bombs in the LoTR mod blow a crater in the ground about 6 blocks deep. Overpowered for sure.
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But the health would be better on the Uruk-hai than rohirim but they should still be close. I would say about 55 health on Uruk-hai and 30-35 on rohirim. But bombardiers are an essential new mob for Isengard. Still, warg bombardiers are overpowered with a standard orc bomb. Ramp it down. At Helm’s Deep the most the berserker’s did was blow a hole small in the wall and if that is the best Saurman could do that’s not greater than a standard TNT block. The orc bombs in the LoTR mod blow a crater in the ground about 6 blocks deep. Overpowered for sure.
But the health would be better on the Uruk-hai than rohirim but they should still be close. I would say about 55 health on Uruk-hai and 30-35 on rohirim. But bombardiers are an essential new mob for Isengard. Still, warg bombardiers are overpowered with a standard orc bomb. Ramp it down. At Helm’s Deep the most the berserker’s did was blow a hole small in the wall and if that is the best Saurman could do that’s not greater than a standard TNT block. The orc bombs in the LoTR mod blow a crater in the ground about 6 blocks deep. Overpowered for sure.
I don't know what your definition of close is but 30 to 55 is not even close to close, it's almost double for the Uruk Hai.
(edited by Samoja1)
Uruk Hai should be slightly higher than normal orcs, not around the health of a troll... And rohhirim shouldn't have ridiculously high health either, I think it is fine as it is, but Rohirrim cavalry should still be better than a uruk hai in combat. Maybe make it so that all, not just rohhirim, cavalry get a strength bonus when on horseback.
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I think the reason the Uruk-Hai are so much better, is because they only have a small amount of land that is actually theirs. They do spawn everywhere in Rohan, but only at night, to resemble raids. Rohan is huge, and though sparsely populated, it still will have more combined spawns than isengard. And their cavalry is unmatched by ANY faction.They are a bit weak in melee, but they make up for it in their speed on horses.
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Drake of Gondolin wrote:
ArcenGamer wrote:
Rohirrim Marshalls are captains. I agree that Rohan needs better troops, but Marshalls? That ain't it chief.
Why not? Marshalls were the leaders of their armies, and Eomer had a whole bunch of them at his disposal, so why not be able to hire them like all other factions and their "elite" troops. It would be a nice addition, since the rohirrim don't require pledging to hire any units.
Drake of Gondolin wrote:
I think the buff should come in the form of rohirrim marshalls spawning, with a spawn rate equivalent to black uruks to mordor orcs in mordor.
I think the buff should come in the form of rohirrim marshalls spawning, with a spawn rate equivalent to black uruks to mordor orcs in mordor.
Rohirrim Marshalls are captains. I agree that Rohan needs better troops, but Marshalls? That ain't it chief.
Perhaps you're right, but regardless, if you want to add Marshalls as hireable units, then we'll need a new Rohirrim captain mob, because hiring Marshalls from other Marshalls is sort of like selling my computer to myself.
(edited by ArcenGamer)