Angmar in Renewed speculations

I found some interesting stuff in the factions guide. Angmar is now friends with Dunland. Dunlendings and Rhudaur Hill-men are of the same origin. Considering that Gundabad was renamed into Northern Orcs, one can speculate, tha orcs in the North will be united under one faction. On the other hand, remnants of Angmar will be purely mannish now.

Hill-man country is lore-friendly, because it's stated, that after the fall of Angmar, there were no orcs left west of the Misties.

Also the mod team suggested to remove Angmar orcs a few years ago. Perhaps, they've finally decided to execute it in Renewed.

What do you think?

(Edited by Evgeny Zhuk)

Angmar (Faction)

Codebreaker 2100·1/27/2021

This has been confirmed by the mod team!

Aragost02·1/27/2021

So Angmar is becoming purely Mannish? Will it just be Hillmen, or will Black Numenorians enter the faction à la Battle for Middle-earth?

Another question rises from this; will Trolls now be part of the "Northern Orcs" faction? Or will they form some sort of neutral one?

Where do the Moria Orcs fit into this? Are they not "Northern" Orcs?

So many questions........

OneBehindTheHair·1/27/2021

"So Angmar is becoming purely Mannish? Will it just be Hillmen, or will Black Numenorians enter the faction à la Battle for Middle-earth?"

Probably just Hillmen. The presence of Black Númenóreans in Angmar, especially at the time of the mod, wouldn't make much sense.

"Another question rises from this; will Trolls now be part of the "Northern Orcs" faction? Or will they form some sort of neutral one?"

There was some discussion about this on the Discord a while ago, I believe the consensus was that they'd be added to the Northern Orcs.

"Where do the Moria Orcs fit into this? Are they not "Northern" Orcs?"

Moria will almost certainly be a subfaction of the Northern Orcs.

Korokan·1/27/2021

Angmar purely mannish. Is this really serious? In that case, Angmar will change a lot in Renewed. And I just love the idea Dunland could be friend with Angmar because hill-men and dunlend have the same origin (so cute). It'd be a fun add for Dunland which is THE neutral faction par excellence (the only faction to be friend with dwarves and orcs in the same time! lmao)

For Moria Orcs, I think like BehindTheHair they'll be a sub-faction anyway (even if Moria isn't in the northern Middle-eart as you say). Or if not a faction by themselves but it sounds unlikely to me.

(Edited by Korokan)

Aragost02·1/28/2021

Thanks for the answer OneBehindTheHair :)

If Angmar really is becoming purely mannish, then I think its a shame that it'll only be made up of Hillmen (essentially a northern Dunland).

But I'm sure Mevans will find a way to make them different; he's already done so with every other faction in the mod after all.

What do you think?