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Dour1234·4/30/2021 in General

Vanilla Phantoms Should Be The Subject of Multiple Lore Books but in a reworked and vague fashion.

I just found an article on Tolkien Gateway that is about creatures known as Phantoms.

Phantoms: In the Elder Days, creatures of dreadful shapes, among whom are said to have been phantoms, haunted the Elves, dragging people into the darkness surrounding the borders of the Elven dwellings never to reappear.

In Beleriand, the forest of Taur-nu-Fuin was an infamous locale of phantoms of terror said to strangle or pursue lost wanderers.

Using wizardry, it was possible to summon phantoms of delusion. Sauron, master of shadows and of phantoms, devised a phantom resembling Eilinel to entrap Gorlim. In the late Third Age, Saruman was rumored to also be able to craft such phantoms.

It is also told that disembodied, phantom-like Elf-souls, from Elves who had been slain in the course of some wrong-doing, could maliciously appear before living beings to induce fear, being envious of people still alive.

Beings called phantoms also appear in the poem Oilima Markirya.

In a hastily written manuscript on small slips of paper, entitled Reincarnation of Elves, Tolkien discussed different possibilities of how the houseless fea of an Elf can have a memory so strong that it can in another fea(incarnate) induce a picture of it, so that it seems a phantom form. Such a phantom cannot be touched, but can be walked through.

Based on the etymology of qímari, linguists have suggested that Tolkien intended, in this stage of the legendarium, that a phantom was a awake...but not...living hence a mind or spirit that is incorporeal or disembodied.

In The Mod, Phantoms could have mentions in lore books and they should spawn somewhere, though I don’t know where.

(Edited by Dour1234)

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Camaethor·5/1/2021

I’m going to be honest with you these suggestions are starting to frustrate me. They are simply non canon so I don’t know why you keep doing them. You have made it explicitly clear that you think the mod and vanilla should have WAY more crossovers. I don’t think this is ever going to happen and to be honest I hope it does not. Though Tolkien may say something about phantoms haunting the elves or whatnot in the elder days that doesn’t mean that the Minecraft phantom should be added to middle earth. Even if they did exist in the elder days that does not mean they would still be present in the Third Age. But they do not. I am pretty sure that when Tolkien wrote that he was talking about a sort of spiritual creature like a wight or wraith or something. I will reiterate what I said on a separate thread which is this. In the WNTS or FAQ item pretty sure it says not to suggest no cannon ideas or to keep it to a minimum. So please unless you have clear hard evidence that flying purple bats lived in middle earth keep these suggestions to a minimum.

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Dour1234·5/1/2021

I am merely pointing out connections between things.

Also, you do bring up a good point regarding Phantoms. I should have made the title of my post more clearer.

I just edited it to make it more clearer.

Also, it is rumored that Saruman can create Phantoms like Sauron can. It may or may not be true, but it could make a good story for a lore book.

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IDespiseNames·5/1/2021

I don't think phantoms should be in the game. Their aesthetic really doesn't fit and it would essentially screw over the players who want to join Southern factions like Near Harad, Morwraith and Torathim as it takes ages to travel there. Its already hard enough to have to push through Rohan, Gondor and Ithillen if you want to join Near Harad but being constantly trailed by Phantoms would make it become unbearable.

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OldForest·5/1/2021

You almost had me there with the lore, but then I came to my senses and realised that phantoms would probably fit less then zombies and silverfish.

As above users said, I also think Tolkien meant more ghostly creatures, not giant flying manta rays.

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Dour1234·5/1/2021

As I stated earlier, I edited my post and title to make my suggestion a bit more clearer. I am merely talking about lore books vaguely referring to Phantoms, but not directly referring to them.

What do you think?