All posts by Samoja1

<p>Seems like Genstructures are hit or miss mostly. Bree is pretty good but now obsolete, and Lothlorien isn't that bad either. But most other things have glaring problems. Most cities are ghost towns full of orcs, and Rivendell is my particular pet peeve, it does not look at all like what an Rivendel is described as, it's as if someone said "hm, elven halls are elven right, lets do that everywhere". Tolkien describes warm bedrooms and common rooms, with fireplaces, but there is not a single enclosed room in the Genstructures version of Rivendell, and the whole thing looks more like a monastery then someone's house, very dissapointing. Some other dwarven and elven structures have the same problem, they just don't look livable. </p>

<p>Neither, they are feudal dutchies, ruler of each fiefdom is mostly independent but swears allegience to the king/steward of Gondor, that's how feudal system works, centralized structure of governing is a pretty recent invention. </p>

<p>yeah, even Gondor militia will defeat the enemy 20 to one, time it would take you to mine enough mithril for your entire army, if spent doing other things, would give you a hundred times more resources to hire more troops, but more importantly an evil player could gain just as many resources in the same ammount of time, those 20 elves in Mithril armour won't be defeating 100 Black Uruks, no matter how much better their armor now is, only way to even the playing field is to give all elves custom made dwarven armor, it still takes more resources, and it looks silly. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Drake of Gondolin wrote:<div class="quote">Gen. Grievous1138 wrote:
From this point forward, all suggestions for the 1.15 port of the mod will be summarily removed. The Mod Renewed will likely be in the basic stages of development for quite some time, and suggestions are really, really <i>not helpful</i> for this process. <p>Gen. Grievous1138 (LOTR Mod Wiki Admin) ^comlink 13:27, April 24, 2020 (UTC) </p> </i></div>
Ok, accounted for. Quick question to the Admins and Mods, once the whole updating process is finished, will there be a new suggestion forum for 1.15 or will the current one serve that purpose? </div> <p>They said during the Q&A that after the end of the update they intend to move on as if it was one uninterrupted process, so yeah, the wiki would continue on as usual, and all the sections would be the same, i got to say tho that the wiki design is probably due an update of it's own, just to make it seem a bit more modern looking, i think it was not redesigned since the beginning. </p>

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Ok, I have a spreadsheet for weapon, armor, and unit stats. On default gear evil has the advantage, Ologs are great, and Uruks with the exception of Gundabad have an insane amount of health and damage. However if you're willing to grind and give your units mithril tier gear(20 protection points), suddenly Elves, and Dunelnding Berskerers are on par with the Uruks assuming the Uruks have Mithril tier gear too, not factoring damage those units will take the same number of hits to kill. If you take damage into account the Elves will deal more damage than the Dunlendings and will match Black Uruks, Isengard Berserkers(Not Uruks there is a difference in stats) will deal 1 more damage assuming that the units are using weapons of their faction. So maxing gear helps cover the imbalance and then it's health values that matter and not armor points because they all have the same armor points. Isengard Berserkers are the single best melee unit in the game. As for maxing the gear out, some of you might say "Who would do that? It takes WAY too long". Anyone who  is serious about winning would do that, the grind isn't as bad as you might think, I've done it. At the end of the day though, good factions are underpowered upon examining the statistics. I'd reccomend nerfing the Isengard Berserker Cleaver down to 7 damage instead of 8 and that would put them on par with the elves. Next Mordor has Olog-Hai, good doesn't have anything, I'd suggest that good could hire ents but they have the whole fire-axe weakness thing and Ologs don't have a weakness. So my reccomendation is nerf the Ologs and make Ents hireable. Also give the ents AoE because Ologs have it. Finally, buff Rohan to be on par with Gondor and buff mounted units on horses, maybe you deal 3 extra damage when attacking while on a moving horse, it has to be moving, this would make horses be as good as rhinos and with some AI  tweaks to mounted units make them much stronger. This should also be done for elks, boars, and wargs. For anyone who got this far and read the whole thing, you are one hell of a patient person to read the entire wall of text.</i></div>
<p>We usually consider something unbalanced when one side needs to put in considerably more effort/resources just to achieve the same results the other side has by default, so i would consider this extremely unbalanced, even the Elves who are the best Good faction can't match the standard evil units, as they are out of the box, without the player giving them a boost, as for Gondor and Rohan they are a joke, any human faction is just leaves on the wind against any orc faction. </p>

Can we get Gandalf in 1.15?

<p>Great, so now those bombadier wargs will be as fast as rohirric horses, how are good players supposed to avoid being blown up? </p><p>EDIT: Ups, necro. </p>

<p>I thought Gundabads was just a speedbump for early game PCs to offer some challenge early game, both in the mod and lorewise they are the weakest orc faction, which i kinda like, they were just basically there to be a thorn in the side of free peoples, Sauron kept all the best stuff to himself in Mordor. </p>

<p>Chances are mobs won't be using shields anyway, it's pretty hard to code that, i don't think there is any mod that managed to do it yet, so it's only going to be for the players, which is not that huge of an advantage. Shields slow you down, like, a lot, a few archers can keep yopu at bay pretty much non stop by constantly backing off, which is where the skill come in, if you want to engage those archers in melee you have to lower your shield and rush forward at the right time, they just allow you not to have to eat an arrow every time you want to close with the archer, right now fighting archers pretty much consists f tanking arrows and tying to close the distance, fighting against knockback all the way there, that's incredibly annoying. When i melee combat, you can hold your shield up yes, but then you just prolong the stalemate and allow the opponent to flank you, if you want to kill te enemy, you have to lower the shield which means he can now hit you too, which seems perfectly fair to me, shields are only really used to close the distance and catch a breather. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Drake of Gondolin wrote:
As of now, shields have no real purpose, but with the 1.15 update, functional shields have been announced, though the real question is how will this work. The current shield function in vanilla 1.15 would mess with the mod's combat system, the ability to just block every incoming attack with a piece of wood combined with some iron doesn't seem very lotr mod like to me. I don't know if there's something planned, but just in case, here are some mechanics I would change to balance it out. <p>
Firstly (most likely the Mevans/ the team have thought about this), some weapons should have the chance to disable shields for a longer period of time. Weapons such as halberds, war scythes, poleaxes, and lances would tire out the opponents' arm due to their weight and strong impact, thereby disabling their ability to properly block for the time it would take to recover from a 75% speed weapon swing. </p><p>
Some weapons like crossbows, battleaxes and warhammers could (on certain occasions) overcome the shield's ability to stop the attack and actually deal a percentage of the damage to the shield user. All the weapons mentioned above would deal substantially more damage to the shied's durability. </p><p>
So far things are looking grim for the shield, but not to worry, there are advantages to having a shield, these are increasing the recovery time of the opponent's weapon after a successful block (with the exception of daggers and swords due to their lightweight and quick attack), the obvious blocking damage from incoming attacks, especially arrows, and perhaps even the ability to attack with one (shield-bash). </p><p>
On the shield side, some few tweaks, adding in 2 new shields made of bronze and iron respectively, these would be upgrades to the wooden one, making for better protection against polearms, bolts and such as well as giving more durability to the shield. For anyone about to say anything on faction shields, it's stated on this page that the shields would serve as the texture for the shield, so no, no faction shields would be added (anyway they there would be no difference at all between a faction one and a regular iron-plated shield. </p><p>
Please let me know what you think, would this be viable, or is it too far fetched? In the case it is, I'd also like to know your opinions on how two-handed weapons (large polearms  (pikes, lances, longspears and poleaxes)) and bows would (or rather wouldn't) do when being used with a shield. </p> </i></div>
<p>People in ME had shields no, why would they not be LOTR like? If you played vanilla a bit more you would know the shield is not at all a get out of jail free card, it merely reduces the broken ability of bowmen to keep shooting you and backing off because you can't reach them due to knockback. Here are some weaknesses of the shield, it only protects you in one direction, so if there are multiple soldiers arrayed against you chances are some shots will go trough. You need to drop it to attack, this is pretty signifficant, because if you get cornered by a few enemies you will get annihilated as soon as you lower your shield to attack, timing your attacks properly is a big part of the new skill based system. And then there is the fact you won't be using any ranged weaposn with the shield, it's one or the other, but not both, since they are both bound to RMB, if you have a bow in your hand you cant raise your shield. Also IIRC axes in vanilla have a special ability to disable shields for a few seconds, giving you an opening to attack. In other words shields are pretty well balanced as is, the mod just needs to work with this system to integrate them with LOTR mod, will some things in the mod need to be restructured, sure, but that's perfectly reasonable in this sort of update. </p>

<p>Bree faction or the Beornings, i'm not all that hyped for the Mumakil, and they are bound to make the olog hai issue even worse, so i say Beornings, then Mumakil, and Bree just because it's the second landmark most everyone will encounter, and having it empty is just dissapointing, there is town of Bree in structures submod but without Bree faction it's just filled with hobbits and rangers. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Quote:<div class="quote"> <p>GabrielTosh wrote: </p><p>
</p> <div class="quote">MilkMC wrote:
<i>Samoja1 wrote: Orc troops...their strength comes from quantity, not quality, that is made pretty clear in the books.</i>Exactly, however when you have tons of entities in minecraft it tends to lag. To try to avoid this, the evil side troops were made to be stronger. They are stronger because they actually represent more than one unit. <p> <span style="background-color:#000000; border-radius:5px; border:3px ridge #3333ff"> <font color="#FFFFFF"> MilkMC</font> </span></p> <font color="#FFFFFF">Have a chat with me, <span class="insertusername">Fandom User</span>.</font></i></div>
But since there is no way to put a limit on contracted troops, bad players put tons of good troops (quality), instead of doing that, with bad troops. <p>(Google translator) </p> </div>Are you suggesting players should primarily play the mod in ways accurate to the book? That seems rather limiting. The purpose of the mod is to serve as a fun middle earth experience in minecraft. It never was (and shouldn't be) a perfect 1:1 adaptation of the books in minecraft. </div> <p>No, but the books do serve as basis for the mod, and since it's the books that are used as justification for such overpowered creatures as trolls, orc bombadiers and uruk berserkers it's only fair to point out the other side of it. Mod has to be at least somewhat balanced to be fun to play, and at this time the deck is stacked heavily in favor of the evil factions. In the future Beornings may somewhat balance out the overpowered nature of Olog-Hai, but the fact remains that Uruks and especially Uruk Berserkers can go toe to toe with any good faction elite troops and win hands down, that is not balanced at all. </p>

<p>What is really needed is a rebalance, baseline uruks should be no stronger then gondorian soldiers, they were the best of the best of orcs, but that still barely put them on par with average human. Baseline orcs should be on par with gondor levymen, in hp as well as armor. Elven troops should be superior to both in order to balance out trolls who should be made slower. Right now best Orc troops are superior to even best elven tropps which goes completely counter to the lore, orcs are small and cowardly, their strength comes from quantity, not quality, that is made pretty clear in the books. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Aragost02 wrote:
What about Huorns, Rangers, Weapon-Switching elves, Hobbit Slingers, and the fact that the good factions outnumber the evil ones?</i></div>
<p>Huorns are pretty weak to axes, which some orcs come equiped with by default, i once brought 3 gondorian soldiers armed with axes into the old forest, we cut trough wave after wave of huorns without loosing a single guy. Now rangers are indeed good, but hardly as good as people seem to suggest, they break their stealth quite regularly and their armor is garbage. I don't see how elves weapons switching gives you any advantage, they are weaker then Uruks in melee and have weaker bows then Uruk crossbowers who, due to the way the game works, can shoot just as fast as bowmen, i would say uruk crssbowmen are the most broken unit in the game if not for the fact that Uruk berserkers are even more broken, and Olog hai are even more broken, not to mention orc bombadiers and bombadier wargs. </p><p>So yeah, good factions may outnumber the evil ones but in terms of units themselves good factions have maybe two, rangers and dwarven axe throwers, while evil has at least five, uruk corssbowers, uruk berserkers, rc bombers, orc bomber wargs and trolls, not to mention that head to head any orc unit will defeat the equivalent good unit, for example weakest Mordor unit is Mordor orc, which has 15 armor points, while weakest Gondorian unit is Gondorian levyman which has at best 15 armor points but at worst only 7, however the price for hiring them is the same. This comparison can be drawn between every good and evil unit, every good unit has an equivalent on the evil side that is just straight up better.  </p><p>I know your experience in PvE may feel like evil units are underpowered but the stats tell a different story. </p>

<p>Rohan was stated to be Saxon(old english) culture but with Mongol like mastery of cavalry, Saxons lost at Hastings partially because they were not good at horsemanship so Tolkien gave then that trait. Gondor always seemed top me to resemble Holy Roman Empire and it's sucessor states like Austria Hungary, i do think Siege of Vienna was one of the major inspirations fo the Siege of Minas Tirith, but as mentioned before those are all just influences, there is no perfect comparison to any of the cultures. Shire is quite clearly based on English countryside. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>TheStudyOfTheUnknown wrote:<div class="quote">Samoja1 wrote:<div class="quote">TheStudyOfTheUnknown wrote:
The new combat system is in direct conflict with how axes and battle axes have been balanced in relation to swords in the mod but I do believe they will simply be returned to the state they were before the combat update concerning the amount of damage. The simplest solution would just be to keep the stats exactly the same as in 1.7.10 as the combat is practically overhauled by the mod anyway. This would probably include getting rid of swipe on swords as well.</i></div>
Well, they did say large parts of code will have to be reworked, what they decide to go with in the end is up to them but situation in 1.15.2 is a lot different then in 1.7.10, some mods i know use axes impose slowness on you if you use both the axe and the shield at the same time. Just transfering combat from 1.7.10 verbatim could cause issues, it would be best to rework it to fit the new environment.</div>I feel like the modded combat system is much better anyway and reprogramming it back in the way it was is probably easier then most other things which they were rererring to when they said they would be reworking a lot of the mod, such as blocks, items and a bunch of other things that have changed how they've been coded. </div> <p>Maybe, maybe not, but the truth is it was a different environment, with different conditions, it probably would nto fit cleanly into 1.15.2, it would be like forcing a square peg trugh the round hole. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>TheStudyOfTheUnknown wrote:
The new combat system is in direct conflict with how axes and battle axes have been balanced in relation to swords in the mod but I do believe they will simply be returned to the state they were before the combat update concerning the amount of damage. The simplest solution would just be to keep the stats exactly the same as in 1.7.10 as the combat is practically overhauled by the mod anyway. This would probably include getting rid of swipe on swords as well.</i></div>
<p>Well, they did say large parts of code will have to be reworked, what they decide to go with in the end is up to them but situation in 1.15.2 is a lot different then in 1.7.10, some mods i know use axes impose slowness on you if you use both the axe and the shield at the same time. Just transfering combat from 1.7.10 verbatim could cause issues, it would be best to rework it to fit the new environment. </p>