Hey, so since Near Harad is one single faction (which I find rather unpleasant), a random bunch of gulflings, umbarians, harnedhrim and coastal southrons spawn in Gondor when doing a conquest in Gondor for example. It would make more sense for umbarians to spawn on the coastal areas and maybe Harnedhrim in the other parts. The other Southron factions seem a bit too isolated to add into this conquest, let alone have them all spawn in one clump. My suggestion to fix this is, which would bring many other benefits, make the Southron factions seperated. This would not only fix the random conquest troop spawning, but also improve gameplay possibilities in Near Harad significantly and specify preset alliances (for example, Umbar and Harnedor do not need to be allies with the Morwaith really.
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I don't experience this, so it's client side I assume, as in, your own settings rather than the mod
You sure about the three sub-factions?
Code says this:
this.npcSpawnList.newFactionList(0)
.add(new LOTRBiomeSpawnList.SpawnListContainer[] {
LOTRBiomeSpawnList.entry(LOTRSpawnList.HARNEDHRIM, 2).setConquestThreshold(100.0F),
LOTRBiomeSpawnList.entry(LOTRSpawnList.HARNEDOR_WARRIORS, 10),
LOTRBiomeSpawnList.entry(LOTRSpawnList.COAST_SOUTHRONS, 2).setConquestThreshold(100.0F),
LOTRBiomeSpawnList.entry(LOTRSpawnList.SOUTHRON_WARRIORS, 10) });
This indicates both Harnedhrim and Coast Southrons and both warriors and civilians should enter conquered Gondor mainland biome.
Well yea it showed some Umbar spawns. Though I'd still say that then at least the civilians shouldn't spawn there since its a warzone, not the best place to settle head on. And yeah if the coding were to be like that, not really sure why we had Umbar spawns (I was wrong about the Gulf, didn't see any of those), then Umbar players would have difficulties trying to simulate an Umbar raid in the region. So technically I'd still say that splitting up the Near Harad sub-factions would improve this.
I'd say this is not a bug but certainly an improvement opportunity.
True, I wasn't really sure where to put it myself either. Though I'd say it was not Mevan's intent to have all of those 4 "factions" spawn in one heap with the new conquest system, so I considered it a flaw/bug. Though, I'll move it if you find it more approperiate
I have noticed that Dale is friends with the Shire, but the Shire is stated to be allied with Dale. This was standard in the faction relations, I did not change it.
I suggest we keep this "discussion" open so we can add more factions with errors.
Agreed, make trolls stronger, significantly. But decrease their spawnrate to balance it out then. They would then be less common, but oh boy when you run into one...
My number 1 problem with archers in the mod is that when on guard, they only fire within their guard range, so if they're on a wall, and some enemies walk up, the archers start firing
then drop off the wall to keep firing. I'd like if Archers didn't move on guard mode while firing, is what I'm saying
you could put their guard range on 1
Making their bows... kinda useless.
It limits their vision as well? Strange, didn't know that
The NASIranger wrote:
I agree with the fact that they should increase the firing range, at least with some units
-elves, because they're elves (appart from wood elven scouts, because they are meant to fight in forest with a lack of visibility, and they would be overpowered with their shooting rate) -Dalish archers, because they've got the bow with the biggest range, but also the slowest, so they're rubbish if they can't start shooting from afar. -blackroot vale archers, because they are supposed to be really good with bows in lore
Now for the evil units All uruks (Gundabad, Angmar, DG, Mordor, and Uruk-hai crossbowers) All crossbowers in general I think that's all, hope I didn't forget anything (Ps, I Didn't put rangers in this list because of their ability to disappears, they would be to lethal against enemies npcs)
as they should be, the Rangers. They are extremely few in numbers, and they should make up for that
Rangers "extremly few in numbers"?! In the books, yes, but in the mod.. HELL NO! Being in an orcish faction and building a base in the lone-lands makes rangers of the north seem like OP cannon fodder of Arnor. There are often more than 5 of these invasions around the base that me and my friend built around a gundabad orc camp, and the walls are constantly sieged by ranger hordes.. The same thing occurs in Harondor, but with Ithilien rangers.. Once a new southron player asked me for help with clearing an invasion, and we absolutely got our butts kicked..
Really, even with their current strenght, they should be way rarer, even to the point that it's around impossible for an army of them. Or, if they remain as common, they should be nerfed to standard cannon fodder level.
Ithilien rangers are a whole different thing. Also, settling in the lands guarding by probably the most elite men in Arda should not be a safe circumstance if you are against them. If you get a bit of properly modified gear you will do more than fine with the use of pikes and bows
I agree with the fact that they should increase the firing range, at least with some units
-elves, because they're elves (appart from wood elven scouts, because they are meant to fight in forest with a lack of visibility, and they would be overpowered with their shooting rate) -Dalish archers, because they've got the bow with the biggest range, but also the slowest, so they're rubbish if they can't start shooting from afar. -blackroot vale archers, because they are supposed to be really good with bows in lore
Now for the evil units All uruks (Gundabad, Angmar, DG, Mordor, and Uruk-hai crossbowers) All crossbowers in general I think that's all, hope I didn't forget anything (Ps, I Didn't put rangers in this list because of their ability to disappears, they would be to lethal against enemies npcs)
as they should be, the Rangers. They are extremely few in numbers, and they should make up for that
My number 1 problem with archers in the mod is that when on guard, they only fire within their guard range, so if they're on a wall, and some enemies walk up, the archers start firing
then drop off the wall to keep firing. I'd like if Archers didn't move on guard mode while firing, is what I'm saying
you could put their guard range on 1
yeah. that changed my opinion a bit. I do believe the range should be increased, tho.
I also think archers should stay stationary when attacking and back up when the enemy gets too close, instead of rushing the target.
Yea the main problem is the range, they require like a distance of 20 blocks to attack. So increasing the range, and perhaps the range when they start running away from the target, should be increased. At least doubled or tripled even. If the range increases, they dont run towards the target, which is what I have checked with the spawners
Perhaps increase their range but decrease their attack speed? In reality, bows should never be able to be "spammed". No ranged weapons would ever be used in that way in the real world.
I suggest you watch some videos on youtube made by Lars Anderssen. Trust me, a bowmaster knows his spam
I have to agree, that the short range of archers is limiting for you in some ways. For example it makes archers really hard to integrate in defense structures. In my current example they are limiting the width of Gate you can build if you want to create an archer kill zone. Here is an example for it:
ArcherGateKillzone
Side effect: In that height melee enemies are triggered and run straight to the wall, hanging below the archers, but cant be hit by them.
Solution, you have to build in the attack range of around 11 blocks an wall in the other direction. Now the archers can hit enemies an the other wall, making that gate area a kill zone for most npc and even players standing in the middle of it.
Conclusion:
Higher triggering height of archers would certainly help building higher walls with actually fighting npcs. Higher ranges would make it possible to build bigger gate areas as shown.
Problem: I dont think it is a good idea to buff archers with higher range, because in survival they can be a pain in the ...
They should be, they are archers! Not your everyday grocery store employee
Old Title: Achieving enough alignment that they will let you choose where to build faction structures
Thoughts on, when reaching high enough alignment with a faction that you have the ability to purchase / trade materials for a Build item, ie 'Build Gondor Watchtower 4367:407' allowing you to effectively choose where they build their next tower? Could be restricted to zones that match the faction.
EDIT: Shortened Title ~Sam
add in the option to configure it. I do not want this to happen on servers, where people could abuse it to destroy roads, waypoints and other builds. Aside from that, nice suggestion
Krillian, a suggestion for how to fix archer "blobbing" together:
1. Give archers a small field around themselves so they move away from friendly archers within 3 blocks. That way they space themselves out a bit.
2. Give archers a process where they treat friendly npcs like obsticals. If a skeleton sees a tree in the way, he moves so he can see and kill you. Give archers a slightly different code so they move 'sideways' so they get a better view of their target. This will simply mean that the npcs will spread themselves out in a single line, and negate the 'blobbing' effect.
This would cause them to constantly move around though. Could be annoying to deal with in a defense or in locations where you want them to stick together, such as near lava or a ravine
All this needs is creative target choosing by the Archers. A hoarde of enemies attack, and all the archers choose to fire at the same guy. Perhaps this could be changed by adding a limit to how many archers could target one NPC, capped at, lets say, two. If two archers have already 'claimed' an enemy as their target' other archers would choose the second closest, until two archers have chosen him, and the 'choosing' would continue until every archer has a target picked.
This is already the case in the mod. They added that a couple of updates back. During the Gondor fiefdom update if I recall it correctly
Pls no
The weakness of individual archers is MUCH set off by the huge groups that tend to spawn, usually very near normal units too. Archers need a nerfing, not a buff.
I assume you fight them on your own? In real you'd be dead before you can say "Canterbury Tales" if you faced a group of archers without any fellow soldiers.
I would say that crossbows need a nerf, tbh.
Why? They are fine. Maybe the NPC's should not fire as quickly as the archers, which is odd