Mevans is currently in the process of adding fog of war to the map, and I think a simple but useful addition would be to be able to buy maps which remove the fog for certain regions from various npcs. I feel like wonderers would have maps for wildlands (areas where no one lives) and maybe captains if they trust you enough will give you maps for current and neighbouring regions. This way someone new to the mod would also be able to learn of different regions which are well out the way or have a way to plan out a journey into nearby areas instead of wondering aimlessly.

Another thing that could be possible is if the map provided a brief description of the land. Say what faction lives there and what they provide or some miscellaneous stuff like the red mountains have twice as much ores spawning or the Misty Mountains having Mithril.

Dol Guldur Spider Pit- A Spider pit is somewhat like Nan Ungol, however, it has a couple of distinct ideas to The Nan Ungol Spider pit. This spider pit for Dol Guldur is that it has a roof to it to which hangs a cage with a prisoner, either a dwarf, elf or dalish man.

Spider Nest__________________________

Spawning- Mirkwood- Common

Northern Mirkwood- Uncommon

Mountains of Mirkwood- Rare

Dol Guldur- Rare

Mountains of Mordor- Common (Due to Shelobs Presence)

Nan Ungol- Common Underground and Rare up top.

Gorgoroth- Rare

Valley of Udun- Extremely Rare

Nurn- Uncommon, Common in the Nurn Marshes

Mordor Main- Rare

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Variants- Dol Guldur, Mirkwood, and Mordor

Dol Guldur Variant- Built into the Ground/Built around Mirk-oak Trees

Mirkwood- Stays away from the ground and focuses on the Trees and using them as hanging areas for nests

Mordor- Built into any possible caves around and into mountains or hills.

All of them have What I would call "Nest Blocks" and "Nest Waste". The Blocks being made of Webs of Ungoliant and other materials surrounding the area it is in and waste of dwarvish, elvish, and mannish bones. As well as uncommon occurrences of cocoons that have a chance to drop mysterious webs, coins, damaged elven and dwarven armor, tools and weapons, and alignment between 5-8 points to the Factions that hate Dol Guldur and Mordor. But are able to let out a swarm of small spiders of 5-6.

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What could they do-

Achievements-

The Fangs of Ungoliant- Unleash a swarm of spiders

The Thanks of The Woodland Realm- Destroy a Cocoon in Mirkwood

The Friend of Spiders- Tame a Spider in a Spider Nest

The Spider saw the Sword!- Slay a Tyrant Spider.

The Tyrant No More!- Tame a Tyrant Spider.

Webbed Up- Get webbed by a spider

Stuck in Webby Business- Destroy a Cocoon with Positive Dol Guldur or Mordor Alignment.

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Mob and Effects-

The Tyrant Spider- The Equivalent of a Dunlending Berserker, Powerful but instead of poor armor, they cannot climb walls and they will be reduced to the average warg. Has 28 health points.

Webbing- A new effect that stops players in their tracks, giving them slowness 4 for 25 seconds max and Mining Fatigue of 36 seconds max. This cannot be cured by Milk however Miruvor takes away the slowness 4 to a slowness 1 and reduces Mining Fatigue to 15 seconds.

And that my friends are my suggestion to upgrading Spiders in the mod. Also, this is to make Dol Guldur more appealing to evil characters and more horrific for good players, especially the Woodland Realm.

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Gundabad wargs should be able to detect the good old rangers.

In the the hobbit when bilbo heard the howling of wargs it was mentioned that even if bilbo put the ring on and turn invisible the wargs would still detect his presence cause wargs doesn't need to see you to know you're there. so the fact that ranger cloak can hide their presence against wargs while even the one ring couldn't is a kinda absurd don't you think?.

So my suggestion is that maybe it would be nice to makes Gundabad wargs be able to detect the rangers? cause not only that it's lore friendly it also gave players a reason to hiring them once again cause right now there's little point in hiring those puppies cause they die so quickly and fighting rangers are difficult no matter how many soldiers you have they're useless against rangers, if you brings 100 soldiers with you all your 100 soildiers are nothing but a 100 dummies for them to practicing their aims.

Note that english isn't my first language so excuse my imperfect grammar.

It would be cool if on the west coast of the map they had shipwrecks of the elves that travelled from the uttermost west

Hello, Everyone!

Disclaimer beforehand- This does not involve any Buying of Warhorns of Utumno or Outside regions outside of Utumno. This is talking of Using Invasion Mechanics to make Utumno more difficult.

So I was wandering around the wiki and saw that Utumno has the ability to invade areas. I thought of it for a bit and I thought that these Utumno invasions could be used to make Utumno a little bit more difficult. They could be used for more immersive or PVP actions in Utumno.

The First variety of the "invasion" would be most common in the ice level of Utumno. This would contain 4-5 waves of orcs, arches, and frost wargs. This would be a meager show of power from the Legions of Morgoth. This would be uncommon at the Obsidian level but becomes more common as time goes by. A possible achievement would be "A Meager Show of Morgoth".

The Second would be a more powerful variant of its first sibling. This would be the dominant variant of the Obsidian level which contains 3-4 Waves but will contain small trolls along with 3-5 Tormented Elves and 8-10 Orcs. This variant will be virtually non-existent in The Fire Level. A possible achievement would be "A Knife From Udun".

The Last and Third Variant is the most powerful variant of its family. This however would only contain 1-2 Waves. This would have 2 Balrogs, up to 3-4 Giant Trolls and 10-20 orcs, and 5-9 Tormented Elves along with a couple of wargs. This would be practically non-existent until you awake the Melkor Plate. This would happen at the end of The Melkor Plate Activation. A possible achievement could be "The Final Show of Morgoth" or "The Mace of Morgoth Broken".

A possible title for Defeating the Third Variant- "The Bringer of Justice" or if you defeat all of them and escape from Utumno you could receive the title "The Avenger of Beleriand"

Tell me what you think! I would love to see some feedback. I make my future suggestions better from feedback.

Edit- Changed The Will of the Valar to The Bringer of Justice

Hi, I'm wondering if in renewed we'll EVER be able to change alignment drain to be off and custom waypoint build sites to not be required? These are two very "real" factors, but they destroy the game. It IS a game, and what makes this mod stand out is WE HAVE AN OPTION for many things, including which side we fight for, who we ally, trading, etc. Most games are disappointing because everything in them is too life like. We play games to get out of reality, to have fun, not face reality head-on in the very thing designed to remove us from the trials of life. We need a choice between "truth" and "game", otherwise it is not a game, it is a simulation. Without hope for this suggestion, and a heavy heart, Barad_Dur.

I know I'm not the only person to discuss this, but I wanted to dive deeper into the potential inclusion of vanilla village raids, particularly the unique opportunities provided by combining them with the mod's mechanics.

Prelude: What about Invasions?

As I'm sure we're all aware, the Lord of the Rings mod has included a "raid system" long before vanilla did, in the form of "invasions." In cases such as horses and rabbits, overlaps have often been settled in the favor of vanilla. Am I to suggest that invasions be left behind in favor of vanilla raids? Not necessarily.

I believe the two mechanics serve similar, but ultimately different roles. In fact, including both could add realism and variety to the various factions of Middle-earth:

Invasions:

• Invasions have more room for interpretation, lore-wise. (Do the attackers lack the discipline to launch a more organized attack, or do they lack the resources?)

• Players can initiate invasions.

• Invasions are centered around conquest mechanics.

• Invasions can happen anywhere, rather than just around structures.

• Factions such as Gundabad, Dunland, the Woodland Realm, and (the Riders of) Rohan could utilize invasions.

Raids:

• Vanilla raids can only take place at villages. This gives the impression of a more coordinated attack, such as the Siege of Minas Tirith. (War crimes would be inevitable.)

• Being centered around a single settlement, completion would be unlikely to grant much of a conquest bonus. Instead, the vanilla "hero of the village" effect would be granted (likely along with a reputation bonus.)

• Factions such as Isengard, Mordor, and (possibly) the Morwaith would be able to utilize vanilla-style raids.

In short, Invasions are all-encompassing skirmishes, while Raids are coordinated attacks on settlements. (Considering that, perhaps the names would be better swapped, but that could cause unnecessary confusion. I'll leave it as is for this discussion.)

Settlement Layout and Raid Mechanics

Inspired by the relevant scenes of the Two Towers film, let's use Uruk-hai invasions of Rohirric villages as an example of a Middle-earth raid. A unique attribute of the mod's settlements is the various levels of fortifications. Vanilla villages vary in size, but barring Iron Golems, their defenses hardly change. In contrast, Middle-earth settlements vary greatly in size and defenses.

A small village lacks walls or a strong military, and would be an easy target for enemies (if they are willing to harm civilians.) Larger, more militaristic settlements would have higher defenses, but may be targeted by more destructive forces.

In vanilla, raids begin by entering a village while the player has the "bad omen" effect. (This is acquired by killing an Illager captain.) If this mechanic were kept in Middle-earth, I suppose the equivalent would be killing a commander. But let's get back on-topic.)

The number of waves (and number of enemies in each wave) are determined by the difficulty:

• 3 waves on Easy

• 5 waves on Medium

• 7 waves on Hard

The type of enemy can also depend on difficulty, as seen above. (In Middle-earth, for example, Uruk-hai Berserkers and Olog-hai would probably not be in easy raids against Rohan and Gondor, respectively. Or only in the final wave, perhaps?) In addition, it would make sense if the attacking army's composition depended on the type of settlement. (Bombadiers wouldn't be needed without a wall, for example.) Fortified settlements = stronger enemies.

Side note: In vanilla, a raid can be failed if every villager is killed (meaning the village no longer registers as one). Seeing as the mod allows important NPCs to respawn, would failure conditions have to adjusted? Or would raids put traders in danger? That's not something I think I could answer, so I'll move on.

Reputation and NPCs

In Middle-earth, the differing raid difficulties would provide an interesting element of risk/reward. Completing a raid on a higher difficulty would inherently provide more reputation points, but the process would be far more deadly, both to the player and the settlement.

Successfully completing raids in vanilla grants the "Hero of the Village" effect which, for as long as it is active, causes the local villagers to reduce their prices (and occasionally throw you gifts.) It seems the villagers want to show their gratitude, and possibly convince you to stick around.

In this mod, I could see quite a few additions to this buff (and the storytelling surrounding it), such as:

• Reduced hiring costs

• Quests providing more coins and/or reputation

• Unique flavor text (NPC and quest dialogue referencing your heroism)

• A conquest bonus for the settlement's faction, temporarily keeping it safe from further raids

Conclusion

I could probably go on. But to wrap this up, I'd just like to stress how much I love and admire what this mod has accomplished. After all these years, y'all continue to blow my mind. I'm not a Tolkien scholar (though I wish I were), and I don't know if any of my thoughts will be unique or helpful, but I gave it my best effort.

Hope everyone has a nice weekend! :)

Isenguard is a really good faction right now, with powerful infantry, an amazing armour set and is relatively close to spawn. However some factions, like the Rohirrim, suffer when compared to them. When the weakly armoured Rohirric warriors face hordes of some of the best infantry and crossbows in the mod they get slaughtered and when you align with Rohan being swarmed by berserkers every time you go somewhere at night gets old pretty quick .

I'd say restricting the stronger units, like beserkers, Uruks and crossbows, to only spawn in the Uruk highlands and Isenguard would help a lot in stopping the issues with aligning with factions like Rohan but at the same time not getting rid of what makes them an interesting faction. They should still spawn in invasions of course but other than that most orcs spawning in Rohan should be snaga, bowmen and wargs.

Thank you for reading this and if you have an idea on how to improve it please leave it in the comments.

The Gray Mountains are currently not much different from the other mountains. That’s why I think it would add a lot to the game if it had dragon caves in it. These caves would be large, spherical structures deep in the mountains. Their bottoms would be completely covered with piles of gold and silver. It would also contain 1-3 chests containing silver coins, cups, dwarf and rohirrim equipment. Of course, due to the many treasures and the small number of dragons, they would be very rare structures.

Sorry for word repetition, I'm not English/American.

So there is this thing I noticed with the new ai which is if hey are outnumbered they hold their shield up, which is good. But... that makes factions like mordor and the misty mountains really powerful since the other side is ALWAYS holding their shield up, which means they won't kill the orcs they will just die. Also sometimes when the ai is holding their shield up they teleport through enemy units to behind them

So i thought it would be cool if maybe the edhelvir crystals and the glow crystal, and gulduril maybe had their own sort of geode that spawned not sure what the blocks around it would be but I think it would be a cool idea

In future there are going to be more fixed structures, like Minas Tirith or the already existing Lonely Mountain. Historically, it's a 3 day journey from west to east entrance of khazad-dum, which of course would be too big in my opinion to make it a fixed structure. So my idea is to make it a biome like the rest of the misty mountains, only there would be a random generation of halls and tunnels beneath those mountains that would all be at the same y level. Although there should be a few fixed structures, like east and west gate, tower of durin or even some greatest halls.

So this is pretty simple but i’ll recommend it anyways.

The only actual pictures we have for some parts of middle earth are from artwork and maybe some Lotr games.

For example Dol Amroth is this mighty castle near the sea or at a cliff or a small island. Either way its in high ground. But when you go there its flat because the terrain generates that way.

What im suggesting is to somehow “fix” the hight of the terrain to match the artwork or something. Like Carn Dum but without it being a fixed structure, just the terrain.

This mod is great. However, I do have some things which I would like to see in it. I hope my suggestions are not too troublesome to be implemented.

1. Make Lairelosse saplings very rarely spawn if you use bonemeal on the ground in Lothlorien. The chance should be extremely small. This would make it slightly easier to farm Lairelosse tress, especially since they and their wood are very beautiful.

2. Dogs and Birds. Currently dogs have no additional feature compared to vanilla. Having dogs myself, I noticed that birds tend to avoid dogs as much as possible, and they run/fly away if they are approached by them. So I think it would be a small addition if birds mostly avoided dogs, maybe in a 10 block radius. However, if the player has something the bird wants to steal like food about 1/4th of the time if you have a dog near you they would try to steal whatever is in the player’s hand. Dogs should also chase whatever birds they can see, and perhaps if they can’t reach the bird they will bark at it until it is out of sight. If a bird is approached by the dog it will fly away.

3. Lanterns. In the new Vanilla minecraft there are lanterns for both the normal torch and the soul torch. I think this mod should add lantern versions for all the mod torches. Their main function would be aesthetic. Sometimes chandeliers just don’t fit when you are building.

4. Make elves faster. This is pretty self explanatory. Personally I think Mevans has tried his best to make a lore-accurate version of the elves, but I still think some more should be added. I’m aware that there have probably been many people who have suggested buffing the elves, but I don’t know of any who have had their features implemented as of yet. The speed increase should be somewhat like what has been done for Berserkers. Civilians would be slightly faster, maybe like a 5-10% increase in speed, the warriors should at least be as fast as Uruk Berserkers, and maybe the Wood Elven scout even more. To counter this I would suggest increasing alignment required to hire them, although cost could be increased too I suppose.

Constructive criticism and suggestions are welcome

Pretty minor suggestion. I think the High Elves should have a sphere of influence around Ost-in-Edhil. It was one, if not the most important Elven city in the Second Age. I know it’s abandoned but why then does Durin’s Folk have influence around Khazad-Dum and Gundabad?

Am i alone who asks: "Isn't there a moment we should say stop?"

Because I think we all got it about Renewed: The port of the mod in newer version is going to take much, much more time than Mevans predicted. The time needed to completely port the mod, Mojang will surely have released 1.19 (I maybe overstate but fear I don't).

If we must permanently port the mod to the newest version to each minecraft vanilla update, we'll still be there to the last judgement.

I don't know what do you think but in my opinion, renewed should stop to move between different versions if we want see it entirely ported one day.

I suggest 1.18, when it'll be released, will become the last port of the mod.

For a long time...

Hi, there. I'll keep this part brief but I just want to outline that I'm new to this whole community forums thing and I'm not sure whether this has been suggested or not (Which it likely has) so just keep with me.

Well, I'm going to make this very quick and just say that I think generated kingdoms or large, notable structures from both the book and movie should be added to the mod pack. One of the main aspects of Tolkein's world was the outstanding castle's, forts, walls, etc. and it is disappointing to see it's non-existent in this pack.

If there has been discussions regarding and related to this topic then please link me to them, the more information I know the better.

Thanks, take care!

I got a stupidly cool idea to add a sound when some npc dies falling to the ground, then there is a rare chance but not too rare that there will be the sound of The Wilhelm Scream or Goofy Yell.

What do you think about this idea?

I love the mod, but I think that something It's missing. I know the mod team have more imported thing to do, but if you have time, please consider this.

We know that beorn and the skinchanger is still exist and grow between mirkwood and misty mountain and mirkwood during the LOTR event.

Faction:

They live in the vale of anduin, have 2.5 block tall and will attack anyone with less than 100 aligment with them. They allies with durin's folk and mortal enemy with the gundabad orc.

NPC:

Beorn folk people: woman and man of the Beorn folk.

Beorn folk warior: Wearing the Beorn folk armor and holding spear or battle axe.

Skin changer: Powerful people that can change into bear to fight of enemy. They sometime wear armor but not chestplate or helmet, and they not wear shirt, showing their bear chest.

Beorn folk chieftain: Leader of the beorn folk that you can hire troop from. They look like the skinchanger but with scar on the body.

Beorn folk crafting table can use to craft beorn folk armor (have the same recipes to the ranger armor but using fur instead of leather, banner, and honey pie.

(I know beorn folk is a bad name, and sorry for my bad english)

As many of you might know, Minecraft 1.16.5 has a system of raids in which Pillagers (evil villagers) attack villages, killing its inhabitants.

If a player defeats one of these they obtain the effect hero of the village.

Why not make it so that in renewed invasions work the same as raids?

For example Mordor invades a Gondor settlement and raids & ransacks it, rendering it useless because all the NPCS are dead?

And now, lets say you defeat the invasion why not make a new effect, like maybe a message saying 'Due to your Heroic actions your reputation has increased' making it so that for some time trades are cheaper?