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  • I do know that Elves, Men and Dwarves no longer care each other so much as "the Great Evil has led their paths apart", but how about interrelationships among evil factions? Except Uruk-hai of Saruman and Orc from Misty Mountains, they are under the control of Nameless One.

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    But everywhere he looked he saw the signs of war. The Misty Mountains were crawling like anthills: orcs were issuing out of a thousand holes. Under the boughs of Mirkwood there was deadly strife of Elves and Men and fell beasts. The land of the Beornings was aflame; a cloud was over Moria; smoke rose on the borders of Lórien.

    Horsemen were galloping on the grass of Rohan; wolves poured from Isengard. From the havens of Harad ships of war put out to sea; and out of the East Men were moving endlessly: swordsmen, spearmen, bowmen upon horses, chariots of chieftains and laden wains. All the power of the Dark Lord was in motion.

    ––--The Followship of the Ring, The Breaking of the Fellowship


    Now, you gain negative Mordor alignment from killing:

    • Mordor
    • Near Harad
    • Half-troll

    You should gain negative Mordor alignment from killing:

    • Dol Guldur
    • Angmar
    • Edit: Gundabad

    Explain: Dol Guldur: Although Sauron was cast out of Dol Guldur, but it still control by Nazgûl. In TA 2951 (also known as Shire Reckoning 1351), Sauron declared himself openly and sent three Nazgûl led by Khamûl to reoccupy Dol Guldur. As we know, the mod starts at Shire Reckoning 1401, so Dol Guldur should treat as ally of Mordor.

    Angmar: Mordor and Angmar just like Gondor of the South and Arnor of North. There are South Kingdom and North Kingdom. Though Angmar is fading, Mordor still care its North kingdom. Just like you gain negative Gondor alignment from killing Rangers of the North. If you doubt that there are too far away from each other, even Pertorogwaith are more distant from Black Land.

    Edit: Gundabad: According to the quote above, although Gundabad had their own Orcish king, they were at in service of Dark Lord. After the Battle of Five Armies, Gundabad was almost defeated, and the Road from Eriador to Rhovanion was open for travelers. However, since the Bilbo Baggins's Hundred-weight Feast, the War of Ring approaching, Gundabad were becoming more active. They gained the power of the Dark Lord, and wandered downhill from the Mountains.

    Now you gain negative Dol Guldur alignment from killing:

    • Dol Guldur
    • Gundabad

    You should gain negative Dol Guldur alignment from killing:

    • Mordor

    Explain: Since Dol Guldur since under control of Nazgûl, they hate the enemy of their master.

    Now you gain negative Angmar alignment from killing:

    • Dol Guldur
    • Gundabad

    You should gain negative Angmar alignment from killing: Mordor Explain: Some as the reason above.

    Edit: Now you gain negative Uruk-hai alignment from killing:

    • Uruk-hai

    You should gain negative Dol Guldur alignment from killing:

    • Gundabad

    Explain: Uruks are cross bred progeny from Gundabad Orcs and Dunlendings. In the section of The Uruk-hai, Uruk-hai worked with Gundabad. Uruk-hai of Saruman also occupied the Misty Mountains with Gundabad, so when you are an enemy of Gundabad, you are becoming an Elf-friend, and Saruman never trusted the Lady of Lórien.

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    • Wargaz cc wrote:
      I do know that Elves, Men and Dwarves no longer care each other so much as "the Great Evil has led their paths apart", but how about interrelationships among evil factions? Except Uruk-hai of Saruman and Orc from Misty Moutains, they still under the control of Nameless One.

      Now you gain negative Mordor alignment from killing: Mordor Near Harad Half-troll

      You should gain negative Mordor alignment from killing: Dol Guldur Angmar

      Explain: Dol Guldur: Although Sauron was cast out of Dol Guldur, but it still control by Nazgûl. In TA 2951 (also known as Shire Reckoning 1351), Sauron declared himself openly and sent three Nazgûl led by Khamûl to reoccupy Dol Guldur. As we know, the mod starts at Shire Reckoning 1401, so Dol Guldur should treat as ally of Mordor.

      Angmar: Mordor and Angmar just like Gondor of the South and Arnor of North. There are South Kingdom and North Kingdom. Though Angmar is fading, Mordor still care its North kingdom. Just like you gain negative Gondor alignment from killing Rangers of the North. If you doubt that there are too far away from each other, even Pertorogwaith are more distant from Black Land.

      Now you gain negative Dol Guldur alignment from killing: Dol Guldur Gundabad

      You should gain negative Dol Guldur alignment from killing: Mordor

      Explain: Since Dol Guldur since under control of Nazgûl, they hate the enemy of their master.

      Now you gain negative Angmar alignment from killing: Dol Guldur Gundabad

      You should gain negative Angmar alignment from killing: Mordor

      Explain: Some as the reason above.

      I don't like this idea....

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    • Deadly Forest wrote:

      Wargaz cc wrote:
      I do know that Elves, Men and Dwarves no longer care each other so much as "the Great Evil has led their paths apart", but how about interrelationships among evil factions? Except Uruk-hai of Saruman and Orc from Misty Moutains, they still under the control of Nameless One.

      Now you gain negative Mordor alignment from killing: Mordor Near Harad Half-troll

      You should gain negative Mordor alignment from killing: Dol Guldur Angmar

      Explain: Dol Guldur: Although Sauron was cast out of Dol Guldur, but it still control by Nazgûl. In TA 2951 (also known as Shire Reckoning 1351), Sauron declared himself openly and sent three Nazgûl led by Khamûl to reoccupy Dol Guldur. As we know, the mod starts at Shire Reckoning 1401, so Dol Guldur should treat as ally of Mordor.

      Angmar: Mordor and Angmar just like Gondor of the South and Arnor of North. There are South Kingdom and North Kingdom. Though Angmar is fading, Mordor still care its North kingdom. Just like you gain negative Gondor alignment from killing Rangers of the North. If you doubt that there are too far away from each other, even Pertorogwaith are more distant from Black Land.

      Now you gain negative Dol Guldur alignment from killing: Dol Guldur Gundabad

      You should gain negative Dol Guldur alignment from killing: Mordor

      Explain: Since Dol Guldur since under control of Nazgûl, they hate the enemy of their master.

      Now you gain negative Angmar alignment from killing: Dol Guldur Gundabad

      You should gain negative Angmar alignment from killing: Mordor

      Explain: Some as the reason above.

      I don't like this idea....

      it is so kind of you to give me a kudos while you don't like my idea.:) Critical comments are welcome, and would you like to tell me your reason why you dislike it?

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    • I like it.

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    • I think it means that you can only be cookie-cutter good or evil, if you kill one evil race, you trip off all of them.

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    • I hate this idea because I love killing Gundabad and Angmar, but I also love be friends with Mordor!!

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    • I wonder if it is possible to make everyone hate you...

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    • IDK

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    • Deadly Forest wrote: I hate this idea because I love killing Gundabad and Angmar, but I also love be friends with Mordor!!

      Do you know that the actions like yours are not even possible in the book? You kill Gundabad, Dol Duldur and Angmar in order to be a friend of Elves or Dwarves, but Elves will never align with a friend of Mordor!! You may tell me Sauron and Saruman have cheated on them, but you are a mere Man instead of Maiar!! If you you align with both Mordor and Elves, you can hire elven troops to attack Mordor but no one will attack you, vice versa. That's just so ridiculous. You gain ALL the benefit from both side, this factor only causes the mod more and more unbalance and non-canon!!

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    • Deadly Forest wrote:
      I hate this idea because I love killing Gundabad and Angmar, but I also love be friends with Mordor!!

      This is awful reason not to implement this as that is dumb

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    • Pretty good suggestions

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    • QLeoWangQ wrote: Pretty good suggestions

      Finally, I saw you at here, Leo the Witch-king, my old good friend... (actually not that old xD)

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    • This all sounds good. Really, it's no more unrealistic than all three Elves factions being linked (which they are).

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    • The elves should hate your existance if you kill any of them

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    • Mevans u should make more ways to get dul gul dur

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    • Alignment and there should be more advantages for dul guldur the elves have scout armour sweet cloaks and op bows 

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    • LOTRMod wrote: This all sounds good. Really, it's no more unrealistic than all three Elves factions being linked (which they are).

      I added some contents and made the suggestions more complete. Wish you can accept those changes. Personally, killing Gundabad can align one with 6 factions but there are only makes 3 enemies is unfair and unrealistic, which is present situation in the mod.

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    • Wargaz cc wrote:

      Deadly Forest wrote: I hate this idea because I love killing Gundabad and Angmar, but I also love be friends with Mordor!!

      Do you know that the actions like yours are not even possible in the book? You kill Gundabad, Dol Duldur and Angmar in order to be a friend of Elves or Dwarves, but Elves will never align with a friend of Mordor!! You may tell me Sauron and Saruman have cheated on them, but you are a mere Man instead of Maiar!! If you you align with both Mordor and Elves, you can hire elven troops to attack Mordor but no one will attack you, vice versa. That's just so ridiculous. You gain ALL the benefit from both side, this factor only causes the mod more and more unbalance and non-canon!!

      I do his because I want to enjoy the mod, enjoy middle earth.

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    • Deadly Forest wrote:

      Wargaz cc wrote:

      Deadly Forest wrote: I hate this idea because I love killing Gundabad and Angmar, but I also love be friends with Mordor!!

      Do you know that the actions like yours are not even possible in the book? You kill Gundabad, Dol Duldur and Angmar in order to be a friend of Elves or Dwarves, but Elves will never align with a friend of Mordor!! You may tell me Sauron and Saruman have cheated on them, but you are a mere Man instead of Maiar!! If you you align with both Mordor and Elves, you can hire elven troops to attack Mordor but no one will attack you, vice versa. That's just so ridiculous. You gain ALL the benefit from both side, this factor only causes the mod more and more unbalance and non-canon!!

      I do his because I want to enjoy the mod, enjoy middle earth.

      No, it does not make one enjoy the game.

      The discontinuity of alignment system is a fundamental mistake, and it similar to string trading loophole or dunlending trident fishing loophole before beta 24. You can say those loophole helped you enjoy the mod, after all, who didn't love those loopholes? There were unlimited fishes and the easiest way to get enchanted books. However, all those kind of behaviors are cheating, legal cheating, and will be fixed sooner or later.

      There is nothing wrong with which side do you choose on single player, but when the situation comes to servers, things are getting different. You choose both sides on middle-earth, or any loopholes above, obtaining the best armours and finest deals from both sides, and you are forcing normal players to act like you or they will surpass by this little trick.

      Maybe you do not play on a server, but those both-sided players are pretty annoying to any factions, even Elves or Mordor. They can counter good players with Olog-hai, bullying evil players with High-elf and dwarves. There are no faith and trust in them, disrupting the order of the server, and they must to be stopped.

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    • Wargaz cc wrote:

      Deadly Forest wrote:

      Wargaz cc wrote:

      Deadly Forest wrote: I hate this idea because I love killing Gundabad and Angmar, but I also love be friends with Mordor!!

      Do you know that the actions like yours are not even possible in the book? You kill Gundabad, Dol Duldur and Angmar in order to be a friend of Elves or Dwarves, but Elves will never align with a friend of Mordor!! You may tell me Sauron and Saruman have cheated on them, but you are a mere Man instead of Maiar!! If you you align with both Mordor and Elves, you can hire elven troops to attack Mordor but no one will attack you, vice versa. That's just so ridiculous. You gain ALL the benefit from both side, this factor only causes the mod more and more unbalance and non-canon!!
      I do his because I want to enjoy the mod, enjoy middle earth.
      No, it does not make one enjoy the game.

      The discontinuity of alignment system is a fundamental mistake, and it similar to string trading loophole or dunlending trident fishing loophole before beta 24. You can say those loophole helped you enjoy the mod, after all, who didn't love those loopholes? There were unlimited fishes and the easiest way to get enchanted books. However, all those kind of behaviors are cheating, legal cheating, and will be fixed sooner or later.

      There is nothing wrong with which side do you choose on single player, but when the situation comes to servers, things are getting different. You choose both sides on middle-earth, or any loopholes above, obtaining the best armours and finest deals from both sides, and you are forcing normal players to act like you or they will surpass by this little trick.

      Maybe you do not play on a server, but those both-sided players are pretty annoying to any factions, even Elves or Mordor. They can counter good players with Olog-hai, bullying evil players with High-elf and dwarves. There are no faith and trust in them, disrupting the order of the server, and they must to be stopped.

      The player can be good and also bad. Thats why we have different faction alignments. Or maybe you guys just like the red eye plus the white tree.

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    • Deadly Forest wrote: I hate this idea because I love killing Gundabad and Angmar, but I also love be friends with Mordor!!

      Deadly Forest wrote: The player can be good and also bad. Thats why we have different faction alignments. Or maybe you guys just like the red eye plus the white tree.

      So why people like you don't choose Gundabad and Gondor? Why people like you don't be an enemy of Quendi and The Lidless Eye? This is just one of your pretexts. The player can be good and bad, but it should not that easy to do.

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    • Deadly Forest, Mevans literally approved of this suggestion. So its most likely going to be added. And that makes no sense as doesn't Gondor hate Mordor? So if you had positive Mordor and Gondor alignment, wouldn't they kill you JUST for being friends with Mordor? And vice versa with Mordor.

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