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  • I feel like there are some improvements that could be made to the Elves. Some of these are more important for others, just because of the consistency.

    "Galadhrim" achievements: As many of us know, there was a time when the Galadhrim were simply called Elves. Fortunately, this has been changed, but they still have achievements that refer to them simply as Elves, those being "Elven Friend/Champion/Lord", "Elven Crafter", and "Elf Slayer". These should be renamed "Galadhrim Friend/Champion/Lord, "Galadhrim Crafter", and "Galadhrim Elf Slayer".

    Another problem with achievements is Galvorn. The Dark Elf achievement is under Lothlórien, when it really belongs with Lindon. Since Quendite makes Galvorn, the achievement for finding it should be moved to the High Elves/Lindon achievements, with the achievement "Dark Elf".

    High Elven Armor: This is something somewhat addressed by High King Ithilion in one of his [suggestions], which I will elaborate upon. The Ñoldor were the among the best smiths and craftsmen among the Elves, and all of Middle-earth. To show this, their armor should be Dwarven/Uruk level. However, the Dwarves were superior in the art of making steel (not necessarily in crafting), so my suggestion would be to increase the durability of all Dwarven steel products as a way of showing their superior smithing skills.

    Galvorn Smithing: Galvorn should be Quendite + Elven Steel / Dwarven steel in a Dwarven forge, seeing as it was a 'superior' metal that must've been harder to forge then simply 'Iron + Quendite.' (All credit for this goes to Rayn Turammarth)

    Please tell me if there's anything you would like to add to this (although the only collaborative part I could ink of is the armor), and any constructive criticism is accepted and encouraged!

    Morgul Blade The Lord of Minas Morgul, Witch-king of Angmar (Send me a Fellbeast)Morgul Helmet

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    • Part two of Galadhrim.. Why should it be moved to Lindon? Quendite spawns in Lorien and Lindon. Why should we move it to one above the other?

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    • Consistency. Galvorn was made by Eöl, a High Elf. Though many High Elves live in Lorien, Lindon holds the most High Elves, and is much closer to the original location where Eöl made galvorn. The reason I proposed moving quendite is because quendite's main function is making galvorn.

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    • Hrm. I´m not sure that their armour should br dwarven level. I agree with the achievements and galvorn though.

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    • The Lord of Minas Morgul wrote: Consistency. Galvorn was made by Eöl, a High Elf. Though many High Elves live in Lorien, Lindon holds the most High Elves, and is much closer to the original location where Eöl made galvorn. The reason I proposed moving quendite is because quendite's main function is making galvorn.

      Eöl wasn't really a High Elf, but it still makes more sense to move it to the Lindon section.

      Also, should Galvorn be Quendite + Elven Steel / Dwarven steel in a Dwarven forge, seeing as it was a 'superior' metal that must've been harder to forge then simply 'Iron + Quendite.'?

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    • Catfishperson wrote: Hrm. I´m not sure that their armour should br dwarven level. I agree with the achievements and galvorn though.

      You saw the durability boost for, Dwarves, right?

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    • No what?

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    • So you made a spam post?

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    • MysteryFTW
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    • Which is spam.

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    • Do you see any spam that isn't yours on this thread? I don't.

      You could have made your intentions more clear, but if you really don't like it, at least do what the others are doing and offer constructive criticism.

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    • I want to stand out but okay here is some constructive criricism : there is no need to buff up high elven steel armor the Elves are not good at making armor.

      Angmar Shield The MysteryFTW (Lord of Angmar) (Fill my mailbox) Angmar Shield

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    • I dont agree with the armour point improvment.They dont need buff.

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    • MysteryFTW wrote: I want to stand out but okay here is some constructive criricism : there is no need to buff up high elven steel armor the Elves are not good at making armor.

      Angmar Shield The MysteryFTW (Lord of Angmar) (Fill my mailbox) Angmar Shield

      The Noldor learned from Aüle himslef and where only matched by the dwarves.

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    • The Ñoldor were outmatched by the Dwarves in steel smithing, but steel =/= armor (even if steel makes armor). That's why I suggested a durability buff for the Dwarves.

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    • The Lord of Minas Morgul wrote:

      Catfishperson wrote: Hrm. I´m not sure that their armour should br dwarven level. I agree with the achievements and galvorn though.

      You saw the durability boost for, Dwarves, right?

      A durability boost is pretty different from a protection boost.

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    • Yes, it is. We're boosting High Elven armor to show the superior craft skills of the Ñoldor, and boosting Dwarven durability to show the superior smith skill of the Dwarves.

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    • Rayn Turammarth wrote:

      The Lord of Minas Morgul wrote: Consistency. Galvorn was made by Eöl, a High Elf. Though many High Elves live in Lorien, Lindon holds the most High Elves, and is much closer to the original location where Eöl made galvorn. The reason I proposed moving quendite is because quendite's main function is making galvorn.

      Eöl wasn't really a High Elf, but it still makes more sense to move it to the Lindon section.

      Also, should Galvorn be Quendite + Elven Steel / Dwarven steel in a Dwarven forge, seeing as it was a 'superior' metal that must've been harder to forge then simply 'Iron + Quendite.'?

      I like that idea. Would you be opposed to me adding it to the list?

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    • The Lord of Minas Morgul wrote: Yes, it is. We're boosting High Elven armor to show the superior craft skills of the Ñoldor, and boosting Dwarven durability to show the superior smith skill of the Dwarves.

      A srtonger steel would mean a stronger armour, you really simply "Craft stronger armour." You also probably don't want to hear this, but that would make High Elves rather Overpowered.

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    • The Lord of Minas Morgul wrote:

      Rayn Turammarth wrote:

      The Lord of Minas Morgul wrote: Consistency. Galvorn was made by Eöl, a High Elf. Though many High Elves live in Lorien, Lindon holds the most High Elves, and is much closer to the original location where Eöl made galvorn. The reason I proposed moving quendite is because quendite's main function is making galvorn.

      Eöl wasn't really a High Elf, but it still makes more sense to move it to the Lindon section.

      Also, should Galvorn be Quendite + Elven Steel / Dwarven steel in a Dwarven forge, seeing as it was a 'superior' metal that must've been harder to forge then simply 'Iron + Quendite.'?

      I like that idea. Would you be opposed to me adding it to the list?

      Feel free to add it!

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    • Narvin's "Noldorian Armour" Suggestion is a good comprimise.

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    • BronzeAir wrote:
      I dont agree with the armour point improvment.They dont need buff.

      Why? As what MrHobit1234 said, the Noldor learned from Aüle himself and where only matched by the dwarves.

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    • Why is it Endorsed not yet reached 20 kudos.

      Angmar Shield The MysteryFTW (Lord of Angmar) (Fill my mailbox) Angmar Shield

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    • 15, technically. But still true.

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    • Ithilion moved it, talk to him.

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    • I added the galvorn smithing to the list, courtesy of Rayn Turammarth.

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    • Mod votes count for 2.

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    • 15 points still has not reached 20 Ithilion.

      Angmar Shield The MysteryFTW (Lord of Angmar) (Fill my mailbox) Angmar Shield

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    • It's 15 to be endorsed....

      IthilionHeraldry High King Ithilion (Discussions Moderator)(Ni celeb ithil) 15:23, May 27, 2016 (UTC)

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    • 20

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    • (Who cares, its an Elvish suggestion that works)

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    • AlteOgre wrote:
      20

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      Really? I thought we decided. 15. Herp derp

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    • Hoppefully it will be endorsed the ideas are lore friendly and cool!

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    • I think High Elven sword should also be buffed, because Noldors are well-known by their swords. It should have 7.5 (8hearts) damage (0.5 (1hearts) extra bonus). For balance, it will require more materials, and a debuff on high elven bow. Besides, Elven wanderers are from Lindon rather than Lothlorien, we can keep them if someone really like the Galadhrim one, but we should add High Elven wanderers... My Lord of Minas Morgul, would you like to add this idea to your suggestion? Thanks.

      vanilla crafting recipe
      Crafting
      Elven Steel
      Stick
      Elven Steel
      Elven Steel
      Elven Steel
      Swords
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    • The thing we should think of first is BALANCE instead of HISTORY.If so,Mace of Sauron should cause 100 damage.

      But its good to buff High's weapons and armours to dwarven/Uruks level.

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    • Lore beats balance. Lore beats all.

      Considering about the balance, it gives us more reason to buff High Elven swords: Isengard got the Uruk berserker scimitar of 7.5 damage that is non-canonical and unbalanced. By the way, the Mace of Sauron in the lore is nowhere mentioned. Morgoth got a mace named Grond, and the Witch-king got one. However, Sauron never got a mace. Those Dark Lords and wizards aren't strong because they got good weapons, and it's because of their powers of Ainur.

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    • The mace I metioned was just an example......

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    • There's one of truths that Tolkien revealed: all great lords, if they are wise, they will use others as their weapons. The greatest weapon of Sauron isn't his exclusive weapons, and it's their forces. Those dark lords separated their powers to control the minds of evil creatures, causing them actually weak in single combat. For example, Fingolfin made the greatest Vala Morgoth badly wounded.

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    • The Witch-king's Grond wasn't a mace, it was a battering ram shaped like a wolf's head named after Grond. Yes, Peter Jackson did get that right.

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    • The Lord of Minas Morgul wrote: The Witch-king's Grond wasn't a mace, it was a battering ram shaped like a wolf's head named after Grond. Yes, Peter Jackson did get that right.

      No, there are two Grond in Tolkien's world: one is Hammer of the Underworld, Morgoth’s mace; the other is the great battering ram of the War of the Ring used to break the Great Gate of Minas Tirith, and the name of the ram saluted Morgoth’s mace. Witch-king has a mace but it isn't named Grond. You mix up three conceptions.

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    • Wargaz cc wrote:

      The Lord of Minas Morgul wrote: The Witch-king's Grond wasn't a mace, it was a battering ram shaped like a wolf's head named after Grond. Yes, Peter Jackson did get that right.

      No, there are two Grond in Tolkien's world: one is Hammer of the Underworld, Morgoth’s mace; the other is the great battering ram of the War of the Ring used to break the Great Gate of Minas Tirith. Witch-king has a mace but it isn't named Grond. You mix up three conceptions.

      I knew that, I just said that there's a difference between mace and battering ram Grond.

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    • The Lord of Minas Morgul wrote:

      Wargaz cc wrote:

      The Lord of Minas Morgul wrote: The Witch-king's Grond wasn't a mace, it was a battering ram shaped like a wolf's head named after Grond. Yes, Peter Jackson did get that right.

      No, there are two Grond in Tolkien's world: one is Hammer of the Underworld, Morgoth’s mace; the other is the great battering ram of the War of the Ring used to break the Great Gate of Minas Tirith. Witch-king has a mace but it isn't named Grond. You mix up three conceptions.

      I knew that, I just said that there's a difference between mace and battering ram Grond.

      Yes, but witch-king has a mace. it's a great balack mace.

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    • Elves are already highly Overpowered. If lore trumps balance, always, then Mordor should be more powerful then all other factions combined (We have already had this discussion.) No, Sauron was never mentioned to wield a mace, but it seems pretty darn unlikey that he would not have his own weapon, it seems even more unlikely that should he have is own weapon, it would be about as powerful as a stone swords, his common orcs using far superior weapons.

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    • Catfishperson wrote: Elves are already highly Overpowered. If lore trumps balance, always, then Mordor should be more powerful then all other factions combined (We have already had this discussion.) No, Sauron was never mentioned to wield a mace, but it seems pretty darn unlikey that he would not have his own weapon, it seems even more unlikely that should he have is own weapon, it would be about as powerful as a stone swords, his common orcs using far superior weapons.

      How do you explain that evil side got a craftable Uruk-hai Berserker scimitar of 7.5 damage? Isn't that unbalanced and good side should have one? DIdn't you read my idea about debuffing wood-elves and the elves of Dorwinion? Isn't Mordor more powerful then all other factions combined now, especially Olog-hai and black Uruk-hai and warg riders? If the fact fits in the lore, what are you trying to say? I forgot to mention that Olog-hai are incorrect on their spawning place where should only be Mordor mountains and Mordor has no warg.

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    • I am against Uruk Beserker scimitars being as powerful as they are, however they are still not nearly as powerful as elven bows. Suggesting a debuff to wood elves the Bladothorn does not make Mordor any more powerful. Mordor is in no way even close to being more powerful then all other factions combined. Most good factions (Elves, Rangers, etc) are by themselves more powerful then Mordor. Olog-hai? Those things only spawn in Mordor, and aren´t even worth hiring.

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    • I mentioned to debuff High Elven bow. Mordor is powerful because of quantity rather than quality. We all know that the wood-elf shot forty-one so-called fighting Uruk-hai to death, and the Gondorian captain slew countless balck uruks of Mordor in Moria, and even the bobbit slew one. The elves are leaving Middle-earth, and Men suffered the Great Plague and their force were Less than one-tenth of its great times. The problem is Olog-hai should spawn in Mordor, because they only spawn in the mountainous border of Mordor.

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    • If Mordor´s strength is in numbers, it should be cost about a tenth of what it does now to hire Mordor units. They should spawn and invade far more frequently then everything else.

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    • High Elven bows are equal to the Galadhrim bows (which, if we wanted to be lore accurate, should be made of mallorn).

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    • However, Mordor launched total war in T.A.3018. Sure, there were innumerable camps of evil Men made of huts and drab buildings on Plateau of Gorgoroth. By the way, we know that the spawning rates of certain biomes will decrease, so nothing need to be debated now.

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    • The Lord of Minas Morgul wrote: High Elven bows are equal to the Galadhrim bows (which, if we wanted to be lore accurate, should be made of mallorn).

      I don't think that High Elven bows are equal to the Galadhrim bows. What can I find that information? I only know that the bow of Galadhrim used elves hair to make bowstring.

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    • High elven bows are equal to Galadraham in all but durability.

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    • Catfishperson wrote: High elven bows are equal to Galadraham in all but durability.

      I mean *in lore*. The Galadraham bows and high elven bows make out of stings and elven streel ingots, and only mallorn bows use mallorn sticks in the mod.

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    • In the mod, High Elven bows actually have better durability.

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    • Wargaz cc wrote:

      Catfishperson wrote: High elven bows are equal to Galadraham in all but durability.

      I mean *in lore*. The Galadraham bows and high elven bows make out of stings and elven streel ingots, and only mallorn bows use mallorn sticks in the mod.

      In lore, Galadhrim bows should be Mallorn bows, and they should be better than any bow in Middle-earth.

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    • The Lord of Minas Morgul wrote:

      Wargaz cc wrote:

      Catfishperson wrote: High elven bows are equal to Galadraham in all but durability.

      I mean *in lore*. The Galadraham bows and high elven bows make out of stings and elven streel ingots, and only mallorn bows use mallorn sticks in the mod.

      1. "In the mod, High Elven bows actually have better durability." I know that.
      2. In lore, Galadhrim bows should be Mallorn bows, and they should be better than any bow in Middle-earth.
      1. I know that, so I said that we should debuff it.
      2. No, we don't actually know that. The things we know is
      To Legolas she gave a bow such as the Galadhrim used, longer and stouter than the bows of Mirkwood, and strung with a string of elf-hair. With it went a quiver of arrows.

      The Fellowship of th Ring, Farewell to Lórien

      , and Tolkien didn't mention high elven bows in TotR, and there are few honourable deeds were done by Noldors with bows in The Silmarillion:

      • Fingon had a bow and he used it to release tormented Maedhros. He also have some archers.
      • The elves of Nargothrond had archers.
      • Curufin used Celegorm's bow slotted Lúthien twice, and Huan and Beren protected her.

      That's all, and High elven bows equal to Galadhrim one that is nowhere mentioned.

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    • It makes sense that they would have bows. You can't possibly expect that they would be able to survive as a race in Middle-earth without archers.

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    • I never said that I want to remove it...

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