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  • Mr Ogre, I would like to say that you could be less harsh to some people on this wiki. There are people here who make posts that I don't even here about, and then later on, I just feel more bad amd sorry for them. When I joined this wiki and looked at the admins I was glad that this wiki has such capable moderators and administrators. But as I dig deeper I discover more. Now, here I am, standing up for people who have been (in my opinion) treated poorly or disregarded or considered a waste of time. It doesn't matter what the idea is: no thought of any person in this world is pointless. Perhaps you, Alte, have had kids and so are treating people on this wiki as your children instinctively. But it's not an excuse. I don't care how you do it, but you need to be less harsh and blunt. And can someone please find a more polite way of closing a thread?

    Yours truly, honestly and straight from the heart,

    Mithril EquipmentTheMaceOfSauronFear Me, Fandom User, and Despair! 06:22, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

    (Also, users out there, don't be afraid to agree. And please don't warn me about trifling with an annoyed Alte.)

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    • Border patrol Ogre do a borking.

      Often mild and friendly. Sometimes loud and fierce.

      Ogre borking no like?

      Avoid borders, or get other borker, or change policy.

      We could revert to shooting down tresspassers without warning, like in good old days. :)

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    • Ogre Borking no like, indeed! (Humour is not helpful, Alte, it just defeats the purpose of this whole post)

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    • Humour be as functional as a borking can tbh.

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    • wtf is a borking

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    • A borking

      A borking.

      Bork practise

      Bork practise.

      Bork bork also

      Bork also.

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    • oh

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    • There are times that Alte can be harsh, granted, but if he isn't, then who will? Things on the Wiki occasionally need a firmer hand than other times. Politeness is a standard, granted, but if everyone stands around and merely thinks that some suggestion shouldn't be proposed, or prefaces every sentence with "No offence meant, but...", then we wouldn't have a useful suggestions forum.

      The Forum was not created to be such a large part of the Wiki, and allowing it to maintain its exponential growth without removing suggestions that are not fit for the mod team may lead to a complete shutdown of the Forum, or to no suggestions being considered at all.

      It is Altes job to patrol the Forums, and no matter how harsh he can be at times, as many have noticed, he is still doing his job efficiently.

      Campinator Questions?

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    • Thanks Camp.

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    • Well yeah we need authority. Now I don't think Alte is rude about it, it is good that he is the firm hand that shoots down the stupid suggestions. If he is ever rude about it however, it would be bad. Luckily he obviously like every other person on earth has to have been rude at some point or another, but he isn't often. Sadly he just gives it bluntly, without the sugary coating, which can hurt. But I feel it must be done.

      -LordArvedui

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    • Campinator wrote: There are times that Alte can be harsh, granted, but if he isn't, then who will? Things on the Wiki occasionally need a firmer hand than other times. Politeness is a standard, granted, but if everyone stands around and merely thinks that some suggestion shouldn't be proposed, or prefaces every sentence with "No offence meant, but...", then we wouldn't have a useful suggestions forum.

      The Forum was not created to be such a large part of the Wiki, and allowing it to maintain its exponential growth without removing suggestions that are not fit for the mod team may lead to a complete shutdown of the Forum, or to no suggestions being considered at all.

      It is Altes job to patrol the Forums, and no matter how harsh he can be at times, as many have noticed, he is still doing his job efficiently.

      Campinator Questions?

      Yes, but Camp, there is a difference between being harsh and being firm. Some people need to learn the difference. While he is very efficient at what he does, I feel that he could be more, hmm, light and funny in the way he does it. Ogre borking jokes would be nice as a replacement to "Closed: Waste of Time".

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    • Alright, here is the admin's mandate: Moderators now have to post at least one doggo meme (or other high quality meme) in a thread before they may close it.


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    • Sinthorion wrote: Alright, here is the admin's mandate: Moderators now have to post at least one doggo meme (or other high quality meme) in a thread before they may close it.


      I like that!

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    • Sinthorion wrote:
      Alright, here is the admin's mandate: Moderators now have to post at least one doggo meme (or other high quality meme) in a thread before they may close it.


      That would be an acceptable ruling for any board but the suggestions forum. :P

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    • More seriously, I think it's almost always better to just move a thread to another board than to close it. Fun&Games can always be used for threads that went offtopic or weren't serious in the first place. Only close threads to prevent unnecessary conflict (strong language, escalating debates etc) or to prevent necroposting on already dead (or completely resolved) threads.

      Moving threads also solves your problem with not wanting to post memes on the suggestion board ;)


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    • I concurr that is an option and did I consider it. Yet, I decided to use it as an example instead. Shake up the common awareness. We also need that from time to time.

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    • I agree with camp, and also a borking is usually needed. Tbh Alte's just doing his job as a moderator. Also why you get mad at Alte and not Greivous? If anyone is harsh its him (please dont kill me greivous). 

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    • Don't we already do so? Or is the suggestions archive used for something different?

      Campinator Questions?

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    • I think Sinth was saying put the suggestions in a place where people can talk about it. The suggestions archive is just an archive you cant talk about it.

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    • I agree with Sinth. The closing and removing of threads is all too common, and really should be toned down.

      SamwiseFilmore
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    • Such statements aren't helpful Sam. Specify. Are you referring to the Suggestions forum or not? If not, it's not applicable to the issue discussed here. If you do refer to the closing of threads in the Suggestions forum, please provide more specific info on circumstances where we should adjust our policy and/or provide a concrete proposal on adjustment of WntS, Planned Features, FAQ or Rules page(s).

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    • Alte, This one needs some reeducating! SEND HIM TO GULAG

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    • @Lego: I don't know what you're thinking nor what you aim to achieve with your message, but I am certain it comes across as if you have no clue about when it may be appropriate to make mocking / joking remarks and when it is not. To me, your message is pointless, mindless and disrespectful noise and you should get seriously but-kicked for producing it, without even a warning.

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    • I posted that message as a reference to the running joke of a wikitatorship that I believe Griev had started. It was mainly due to Griev's fascination of Gulags though I can see that it was not the time to do it as the jokes/memes were at the start of the thread and now it is a more serious discussion.

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    • Without the specific referral I hoped that I came across as meaning the whole forum, suggestions included.

      There is a place for closing threads and there is a place for doing something else, or leaving them be.

      SamwiseFilmore
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    • You're not making yourself clearer Sam. Indicate which of current policies you'd like to see adjusted please, and why.

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    • Well, I was agreeing with Sinth for the reasons he shared there, and extending the things he said to mean the whole forum.

      The closing of threads is too commonplace. In an ideal world, threads would only be closed if they needed to be (in situations of spam, flamewars, and other volatile situations). In almost all other instances, moving a thread does the job just fine. Removal is mostly for spam, and for board-clearing. You should have a good reason to remove a thread if you aren't the author. The thread author always has the right to do whatever they'd like to the thread.

      SamwiseFilmore
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    • I don't think you realize the decision making that was done regarding the suggestions forum and arguments considered at the time. This is how it goes after long and intense discussions and it works and has been working for over a year now. I won't be the one to change it nor reopen the discussion, just because after one year of operating in this way you guys bring up old arguments while you two were the ones who pulled back of the suggestion forum discussion kitchen when it turned hot. You can reopen discussion if you please and come up with an alternate way of working, but not on my wall.

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