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  • In my suggestion, I will only cover some little, personal ideas / updates to flesh out the Taurethrim faction, specifically, giving it a new unit / a few little changes to make it more unique among the other facs, while keeping it in the semi-Aztec game-lore that the mod has added.

    Crafting

    • Taurethrim Mumak-Warrior armor - Crafted using leather and horns in a dol-amroth pattern, It would provide 11 protection points, but give a speed bonus in Jungle / Tauredain-owned grounds.

    HelmetMamukWarrior

    BodyMamukWarrior

    LegsMamukWarrior

    BootsMamukWarrior

    • Taurethrim Shaman Helmet - Used to identify the powerful Taurethrim shamans, it is crafted by placing 2 feathers, 2 green dye and 2 red dye with a regular Taurethrim helmet.

    HelmetTauredainShaman

    • Taurethrim Mamuk-sword - Longswords wielded by the powerful Mamuk-warriors. They deal 7.5 damage, have 68% swing speed and 125% reach.

    SwordMamukWarriorSwordMamukWarriorSmall


    • Taurethrim Shaman-rattle - Rattles wielded by the Taurethrim Shamans for their spiritual connections.

    StaffShaman

    • Taurethrim Ritual-dagger - Originally used by shamans at the height of the Taurethrim empire, it has now become an obtainable relic in the forgotten depths of the Taurethrim temple. It is a formidable dagger, and deals 6 damage, 125% swing speed and 75% range, but are uncraftable, and are on the brink of breaking, unable to be repaired.

    DaggerRitual

    • Taurethrim Shaman-staff - Crafted in the same way as an Orc-skull staff, it is wielded by Tauredain Shamans as a symbol of their rank. It has the same stats as an Orc-skull staff.

    ShamanStaffTauredainShamanStaffTauredain Small

    NPCs

    • Taurethrim Levy - A cheap unit, hired from Taurethrim Chieftains. They usually wield stone / Taurethrim spears, but no armor.
    • Taurethrim Mumak-warrior - Strong and determined warriors, these are the elite of the Taurethrim. Hardened by several wars and strengthened by their patron, the Mumakill, they can easily slaughter foes with their large swords. They would have 25 health, wear Mumak-armor and would run as fast as a berserker. They would attack by attacking the enemy, running away and then returning, similair to Piranha
    • Taurethrim Slave - A lower align-requirement but higher cost alternative to the farmhand. They have Moredain / Limwaith skins, and will have future slave-abilities.
    • Taurethrim Shaman - Shamans now wield Shaman Helmets and Shaman Rattles. They now would sell Shaman rattles, which weaken enemy units by giving them a very slight slowness / minig fatique effect (1/5th of the level), it stacks up to 3.
    • Taurethrim Dancer - Taurethrim equipped with Shaman rattles, they provide bonuses to nearby units, a very light speed effect (1/5th of the level), and also weakneses to nearby enemies (slowness / mining fatique from Rattles. They can be hired from Taurethrim chieftains
    • Taurethrim Sacrifice - Left and forgotten, they are found rarely inside Taurethrim pyramids. They are poorly dressed, have 18 health, a very low sight range, and seem to be of Moredain / Limwaith descent. They will attack anyone they find. They will rarely wield Ritual Daggers. Killing them gives - Moredain / Limwaith alignment.

    Other

    Titles

    [Mumak-warrior] - Wear full Mumak-warrior armor

    [Shaman] - Slay a Taurethrim Sacrifice

    Achievements

    [Rituals of Old] - Slay a Taurethrim Sacrifice

    [Black-magic] - Trade with a Taurethrim shaman

    [Sounds of the Jungle] - Hire a Taurethrim Rattler

    [Sacrilege] - Break a Tauredain pyramid banner / Use a ritual dagger in combat.

    EDIT 1

    - Changed Eagle-warrior to Mumak-warrior

    - Added Mumak-warrior textures

    - Added Shaman-staff (Thanks Keltenfeuer!)

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    • Although I hate the Tauredain, kudos to this!

      Leek kingopai1 God of Leeks (Send me some Leeks!)

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    • Hmm, while I know I am in no position to say this I must say this seems quite a bit like allegory. It's very well made but I don't think Ithilion will like it. Or the mod team, good luck to you. 

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    • Not an allegory, but very, very obviously inspired by the Mexica people. I don't support the Eagle warrior part for that reason. However, other parts are quite good, such as the rattle, dagger, and sacrifice.

      IthilionHeraldry Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë)

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    • High King Ithilion wrote:
      Not an allegory, but very, very obviously inspired by the Mexica people. I don't support the Eagle warrior part for that reason. However, other parts are quite good, such as the rattle, dagger, and sacrifice.

      IthilionHeraldry Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë)

      Hmm, perhaps if the name of the Eagle-warriors is changed, and maybe reworked in crafting / visual? I personally like the idea of such warriors because they would be rather well fitting for such a faction- seeing as it already drives alot from the Aztecs. 

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    • I quite like this, but I agree with the eagle-warrior thing. Also, has any one noticed that the Tauredain have NO elite unti?

      Swordsbane

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    • Unit, not unti, sorry.

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    • Ooh, light bulb!

      Make Mumakil Warriors seeing as the Tauredain Worship them? the crafting would be changed from feathers to Mumakil Horns, ot if Mevans does not add them regular Horns? Just a thought.

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    • Kickratgames wrote:
      Ooh, light bulb!

      Make Mumakil Warriors seeing as the Tauredain Worship them? the crafting would be changed from feathers to Mumakil Horns, ot if Mevans does not add them regular Horns? Just a thought.

      Perhaps Mumakil Warriors, but it would DEFINETLY not include Mumakil Horns in the recipe, they would be far too large and also are far too sacred for the Tauredain to use their remains in war. I am unsure if they would even go to war w/ the mumakil. If anything, i imagine the Mumakill would be a patron to them

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    • True, maybe gold? and if anyone disagrees with Mumakil Warriors what about Crocodile warriors?

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    • I like Mumak Warriors, myself.

      IthilionHeraldry Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë)

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    • Could someone make a pole? then we could see what people want. It would be: Mumak Warriors, Snake Warriors, Crocodile Warriors.

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    • What warriors should there be?
       
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      The poll was created at 18:16 on November 14, 2017, and so far 26 people voted.

      Potatoplant LazuliShield2 Sir Lazuli, Guardian of the Mountains Come visit! ShovelAndSword Potatoplant

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    • Great, thanks!

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    • Stats for said warriors? Special gear, Hp, armor strength/effects, etc.?

      Swordsbane

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    • same as eagle warriors, but the look/crafting of the gear would be different as well as it's name. We are simply voting on which name people think is the best.

      Also that poll is broken, I vote then I leave the page and when I come back my vote hasn't registered.

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    • The poll is broken? Not sure how to fix it.

      Potatoplant LazuliShield2 Sir Lazuli, Guardian of the Mountains Come visit! ShovelAndSword Potatoplant

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    • I like this very much, so you get a kudos from me Frankus! :) I have here a texture for a staff. Its more an magical/occult, but I think it fits too. It could replace the poison bottle. I mean, no tribal have such wealth to use glass objects (except Obsidian).

      ShamanStaffTauredainShamanStaffTauredain Small

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    • It woul replace the poision bottle with what? the staff, if so how do you get posion from a staff?

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    • Kickratgames wrote:
      It woul replace the poision bottle with what? the staff, if so how do you get posion from a staff?

      Tauredain Shamans wield poison bottles for some reason...

      @Keltenfeuer, the textures are great! Ill add that as a Shaman Staff, I originally intended the rattle to be a staff but I made it too tribal like- will make the changes now!

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    • EDITED! Thanks again to all the feedback!

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    • Very nicely thought out! I like lots of these ideas, I wonder if there would be any way to make use of the amulets? Since we know very little of the Tauredain from the lore, I expect that there is quite a bit of leeway for creativity, and it seems like it would be fun. 

      If you would like to add some suggestions around using the amulets, perhaps by combining an amulet with certain gemstones in an anvil one might create an amulet with a certain use, say Amethyst would have one power, Ruby another, etc.

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    • I like nearly everything but I don't like the slave part

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    • RivkahTinuviel wrote:
      Very nicely thought out! I like lots of these ideas, I wonder if there would be any way to make use of the amulets? Since we know very little of the Tauredain from the lore, I expect that there is quite a bit of leeway for creativity, and it seems like it would be fun. 

      If you would like to add some suggestions around using the amulets, perhaps by combining an amulet with certain gemstones in an anvil one might create an amulet with a certain use, say Amethyst would have one power, Ruby another, etc.

      Good Idea! I'll begin coming up with a function for this! If you have any ideas, pls pm me!

      EDIT: After some thought, I think that this suggestion is abit too sparse to cover that subject.. I think it would be best if you posted a seperate suggestion related to this one, as I believe it's a unique enough feature that it should be kudos'd on its own...

      @ArcenGamer

      How come?

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    • RivkahTinuviel wrote: Very nicely thought out! I like lots of these ideas, I wonder if there would be any way to make use of the amulets? Since we know very little of the Tauredain from the lore, I expect that there is quite a bit of leeway for creativity, and it seems like it would be fun. 

      If you would like to add some suggestions around using the amulets, perhaps by combining an amulet with certain gemstones in an anvil one might create an amulet with a certain use, say Amethyst would have one power, Ruby another, etc.

      Another version of Rings of power?

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    • No, that would entirely defeat the purpose of rings.

      IthilionHeraldry Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë)

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    • High King Ithilion wrote:
      No, that would entirely defeat the purpose of rings.

      IthilionHeraldry Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë)

      Good point.

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    • I was replying to Swordsbane, not you. Certain powers and uses for the amulet are a good idea.

      IthilionHeraldry Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë)

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    • Maybe those amulets could keep the (wild) Mûmakil from attacking you once they're added? Or maybe you could tame the wild ones then without them becoming angry (once they're added and are ridable).

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    • High King Ithilion wrote: I was replying to Swordsbane, not you. Certain powers and uses for the amulet are a good idea.

      IthilionHeraldry Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë)

      I understand that, and as the op was agreeing with you haha

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    • High King Ithilion wrote:
      No, that would entirely defeat the purpose of rings.

      IthilionHeraldry Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë)

      I didn't mean an alternant version of them, but some akin to it but weaker! sheesh...

      Swordsbane

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    • Ah, Frankus, their armor is still called Eagle, not Mumakil...

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    • Shouldn't they do a little less damage....? I mean... just saying...

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    • Shouldn't what do less damage?

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    • Sir Lazuli wrote:
      What warriors should there be?
       
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      23
       
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      The poll was created at 18:16 on November 14, 2017, and so far 26 people voted.

      Potatoplant LazuliShield2 Sir Lazuli, Guardian of the Mountains Come visit! ShovelAndSword Potatoplant

      Consider changing snake warriors to serpent warriors, however this is likely going to be claimed by harad, so mumak is probably better.


      Taurethrim is some form of tauredain I expect, beyond that, what is the direct meaning in relation to tauredain?


      "Ritual" dagger - if we are going mayan/aztec, I'm sure we all know that this is for human sacrifice, as such I think that a slight damage nerf would be in order with speed/strength buffs for killing sentient and possibly nonsentient creatures incorporated for sacrifice, bonus points for supping on the blood of a sacrifice.


      Tauredain levy - levy just doesn't sound right to me, perhaps militia would better suit them


      Beyond that, the idea of a "sacrifice" lost in a temple doesn't sound too good, I think that instead a sacrifice stone would work better, serving as a (vanilla) beacon of speed and strength when a POW is sacrificed atop it (yes, when the mayans/aztecs took prisoners that sacrificed them. Deal with it) This however would require the ability to bind enemies, or alternatively one could use hired out slaves. The effect would be temporary, and the graphical change for active is debatable, a corpse probably isn't the best thing, nor is a large blood-stained rock for a parent to look over and see their child comitting pagan rituals, A skull might be able to work, but I'm leaning towards the blood...

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    • Minecraftmage113 wrote:

      Sir Lazuli wrote:
      What warriors should there be?
       
      1
       
      23
       
      0
       
      2
       

      The poll was created at 18:16 on November 14, 2017, and so far 26 people voted.

      Potatoplant LazuliShield2 Sir Lazuli, Guardian of the Mountains Come visit! ShovelAndSword Potatoplant

      Consider changing snake warriors to serpent warriors, however this is likely going to be claimed by harad, so mumak is probably better.


      Taurethrim is some form of tauredain I expect, beyond that, what is the direct meaning in relation to tauredain?


      "Ritual" dagger - if we are going mayan/aztec, I'm sure we all know that this is for human sacrifice, as such I think that a slight damage nerf would be in order with speed/strength buffs for killing sentient and possibly nonsentient creatures incorporated for sacrifice, bonus points for supping on the blood of a sacrifice.


      Tauredain levy - levy just doesn't sound right to me, perhaps militia would better suit them


      Beyond that, the idea of a "sacrifice" lost in a temple doesn't sound too good, I think that instead a sacrifice stone would work better, serving as a (vanilla) beacon of speed and strength when a POW is sacrificed atop it (yes, when the mayans/aztecs took prisoners that sacrificed them. Deal with it) This however would require the ability to bind enemies, or alternatively one could use hired out slaves. The effect would be temporary, and the graphical change for active is debatable, a corpse probably isn't the best thing, nor is a large blood-stained rock for a parent to look over and see their child comitting pagan rituals, A skull might be able to work, but I'm leaning towards the blood...

      The Tauredain got renamed to the Taurethrim.

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    • ElenionoftheFirmament wrote:

      Minecraftmage113 wrote:

      Sir Lazuli wrote:
      What warriors should there be?
       
      1
       
      23
       
      0
       
      2
       

      The poll was created at 18:16 on November 14, 2017, and so far 26 people voted.
      Potatoplant LazuliShield2 Sir Lazuli, Guardian of the Mountains Come visit! ShovelAndSword Potatoplant
      Consider changing snake warriors to serpent warriors, however this is likely going to be claimed by harad, so mumak is probably better.


      Taurethrim is some form of tauredain I expect, beyond that, what is the direct meaning in relation to tauredain?


      "Ritual" dagger - if we are going mayan/aztec, I'm sure we all know that this is for human sacrifice, as such I think that a slight damage nerf would be in order with speed/strength buffs for killing sentient and possibly nonsentient creatures incorporated for sacrifice, bonus points for supping on the blood of a sacrifice.


      Tauredain levy - levy just doesn't sound right to me, perhaps militia would better suit them


      Beyond that, the idea of a "sacrifice" lost in a temple doesn't sound too good, I think that instead a sacrifice stone would work better, serving as a (vanilla) beacon of speed and strength when a POW is sacrificed atop it (yes, when the mayans/aztecs took prisoners that sacrificed them. Deal with it) This however would require the ability to bind enemies, or alternatively one could use hired out slaves. The effect would be temporary, and the graphical change for active is debatable, a corpse probably isn't the best thing, nor is a large blood-stained rock for a parent to look over and see their child comitting pagan rituals, A skull might be able to work, but I'm leaning towards the blood...

      The Tauredain got renamed to the Taurethrim.

      what's thrim mean? Taure means great/trees, and dain means men/humans/people/whatever.

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    • They mentioned on the facebook page that -edain only refers to ancestors and descendants of the Númenóreans, which the Taurethrim are not. The name change will go into effect in the next update, along with renaming the Moredain to Morwaith I believe.

      Potatoplant LazuliShield2 Sir Lazuli, Guardian of the Mountains Come visit! ShovelAndSword Potatoplant

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    • "Taureth"--of the or pertaining to the trees.

      "rim"--people, folk, host.

      IthilionHeraldry Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë)

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    • Dr Frankus wrote:
      RivkahTinuviel wrote:

      If you would like to add some suggestions around using the amulets, perhaps by combining an amulet with certain gemstones in an anvil one might create an amulet with a certain use, say Amethyst would have one power, Ruby another, etc.

      EDIT: After some thought, I think that this suggestion is abit too sparse to cover that subject.. I think it would be best if you posted a seperate suggestion related to this one, as I believe it's a unique enough feature that it should be kudos'd on its own...

      I am on the same page with the general consensus, this certainly must be unique and have a whole different type of usefulness, not to undermine the ring-forging function. 

      I would be happy to write up some of my ideas and would be happy to include any others that ya'll think of. 

      I am thinking it would be very "Jungle-ish" or "Radagast-ish" powers... like, taming the animals, or calling the birds, or being able to ride a lion, or fall a few extra blocks without damage (lightfootedness, as a kind of skill one might possess from life in the jungle). I would also make different tiers, by combining different ore varieties (copper, silver, gold) to make more or less potent abilities. 

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    • Minecraftmage113 wrote:

      Sir Lazuli wrote:
      What warriors should there be?
       
      1
       
      23
       
      0
       
      2
       

      The poll was created at 18:16 on November 14, 2017, and so far 26 people voted.

      Potatoplant LazuliShield2 Sir Lazuli, Guardian of the Mountains Come visit! ShovelAndSword Potatoplant

      Consider changing snake warriors to serpent warriors, however this is likely going to be claimed by harad, so mumak is probably better.


      Taurethrim is some form of tauredain I expect, beyond that, what is the direct meaning in relation to tauredain?


      "Ritual" dagger - if we are going mayan/aztec, I'm sure we all know that this is for human sacrifice, as such I think that a slight damage nerf would be in order with speed/strength buffs for killing sentient and possibly nonsentient creatures incorporated for sacrifice, bonus points for supping on the blood of a sacrifice.


      Tauredain levy - levy just doesn't sound right to me, perhaps militia would better suit them


      Beyond that, the idea of a "sacrifice" lost in a temple doesn't sound too good, I think that instead a sacrifice stone would work better, serving as a (vanilla) beacon of speed and strength when a POW is sacrificed atop it (yes, when the mayans/aztecs took prisoners that sacrificed them. Deal with it) This however would require the ability to bind enemies, or alternatively one could use hired out slaves. The effect would be temporary, and the graphical change for active is debatable, a corpse probably isn't the best thing, nor is a large blood-stained rock for a parent to look over and see their child comitting pagan rituals, A skull might be able to work, but I'm leaning towards the blood...

      As I understand, the new Tauredain are inspired by the people of the Congo, not the Mayans/Aztecs. Not sure if 'new' means the tauredain that exist after their empire, or the Tauredain after the next update...

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    • Swordsbane wrote:

      Minecraftmage113 wrote:

      Sir Lazuli wrote:
      What warriors should there be?
       
      1
       
      23
       
      0
       
      2
       

      The poll was created at 18:16 on November 14, 2017, and so far 26 people voted.
      Potatoplant LazuliShield2 Sir Lazuli, Guardian of the Mountains Come visit! ShovelAndSword Potatoplant
      Consider changing snake warriors to serpent warriors, however this is likely going to be claimed by harad, so mumak is probably better.


      Taurethrim is some form of tauredain I expect, beyond that, what is the direct meaning in relation to tauredain?


      "Ritual" dagger - if we are going mayan/aztec, I'm sure we all know that this is for human sacrifice, as such I think that a slight damage nerf would be in order with speed/strength buffs for killing sentient and possibly nonsentient creatures incorporated for sacrifice, bonus points for supping on the blood of a sacrifice.


      Tauredain levy - levy just doesn't sound right to me, perhaps militia would better suit them


      Beyond that, the idea of a "sacrifice" lost in a temple doesn't sound too good, I think that instead a sacrifice stone would work better, serving as a (vanilla) beacon of speed and strength when a POW is sacrificed atop it (yes, when the mayans/aztecs took prisoners that sacrificed them. Deal with it) This however would require the ability to bind enemies, or alternatively one could use hired out slaves. The effect would be temporary, and the graphical change for active is debatable, a corpse probably isn't the best thing, nor is a large blood-stained rock for a parent to look over and see their child comitting pagan rituals, A skull might be able to work, but I'm leaning towards the blood...

      As I understand, the new Tauredain are inspired by the people of the Congo, not the Mayans/Aztecs. Not sure if 'new' means the tauredain that exist after their empire, or the Tauredain after the next update...

      Where did you get this info? 

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    • Dr Frankus wrote:

      Swordsbane wrote:

      Minecraftmage113 wrote:

      Sir Lazuli wrote:
      What warriors should there be?
       
      1
       
      23
       
      0
       
      2
       

      The poll was created at 18:16 on November 14, 2017, and so far 26 people voted.
      Potatoplant LazuliShield2 Sir Lazuli, Guardian of the Mountains Come visit! ShovelAndSword Potatoplant
      Consider changing snake warriors to serpent warriors, however this is likely going to be claimed by harad, so mumak is probably better.


      Taurethrim is some form of tauredain I expect, beyond that, what is the direct meaning in relation to tauredain?


      "Ritual" dagger - if we are going mayan/aztec, I'm sure we all know that this is for human sacrifice, as such I think that a slight damage nerf would be in order with speed/strength buffs for killing sentient and possibly nonsentient creatures incorporated for sacrifice, bonus points for supping on the blood of a sacrifice.


      Tauredain levy - levy just doesn't sound right to me, perhaps militia would better suit them


      Beyond that, the idea of a "sacrifice" lost in a temple doesn't sound too good, I think that instead a sacrifice stone would work better, serving as a (vanilla) beacon of speed and strength when a POW is sacrificed atop it (yes, when the mayans/aztecs took prisoners that sacrificed them. Deal with it) This however would require the ability to bind enemies, or alternatively one could use hired out slaves. The effect would be temporary, and the graphical change for active is debatable, a corpse probably isn't the best thing, nor is a large blood-stained rock for a parent to look over and see their child comitting pagan rituals, A skull might be able to work, but I'm leaning towards the blood...

      As I understand, the new Tauredain are inspired by the people of the Congo, not the Mayans/Aztecs. Not sure if 'new' means the tauredain that exist after their empire, or the Tauredain after the next update...

      Where did you get this info? 

      Look on the Tauredain faction page in the comments.

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    • Swordsbane wrote:

      Dr Frankus wrote:


      Swordsbane wrote:

      Minecraftmage113 wrote:


      Sir Lazuli wrote:
      What warriors should there be?
       
      1
       
      23
       
      0
       
      2
       

      The poll was created at 18:16 on November 14, 2017, and so far 26 people voted.
      Potatoplant LazuliShield2 Sir Lazuli, Guardian of the Mountains Come visit! ShovelAndSword Potatoplant
      Consider changing snake warriors to serpent warriors, however this is likely going to be claimed by harad, so mumak is probably better.


      Taurethrim is some form of tauredain I expect, beyond that, what is the direct meaning in relation to tauredain?


      "Ritual" dagger - if we are going mayan/aztec, I'm sure we all know that this is for human sacrifice, as such I think that a slight damage nerf would be in order with speed/strength buffs for killing sentient and possibly nonsentient creatures incorporated for sacrifice, bonus points for supping on the blood of a sacrifice.


      Tauredain levy - levy just doesn't sound right to me, perhaps militia would better suit them


      Beyond that, the idea of a "sacrifice" lost in a temple doesn't sound too good, I think that instead a sacrifice stone would work better, serving as a (vanilla) beacon of speed and strength when a POW is sacrificed atop it (yes, when the mayans/aztecs took prisoners that sacrificed them. Deal with it) This however would require the ability to bind enemies, or alternatively one could use hired out slaves. The effect would be temporary, and the graphical change for active is debatable, a corpse probably isn't the best thing, nor is a large blood-stained rock for a parent to look over and see their child comitting pagan rituals, A skull might be able to work, but I'm leaning towards the blood...

      As I understand, the new Tauredain are inspired by the people of the Congo, not the Mayans/Aztecs. Not sure if 'new' means the tauredain that exist after their empire, or the Tauredain after the next update...
      Where did you get this info? 
      Look on the Tauredain faction page in the comments.

      Hmmmm, I'd like to see if this is reflected at all in the next update. Since right now, basically all of the Tauredain resemble mesoamerican culture. The shields, the weapons, the clothing, the habitat...

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    • Dr Frankus wrote:

      Swordsbane wrote:

      Dr Frankus wrote:


      Swordsbane wrote:

      Minecraftmage113 wrote:


      Sir Lazuli wrote:
      What warriors should there be?
       
      1
       
      23
       
      0
       
      2
       

      The poll was created at 18:16 on November 14, 2017, and so far 26 people voted.
      Potatoplant LazuliShield2 Sir Lazuli, Guardian of the Mountains Come visit! ShovelAndSword Potatoplant
      Consider changing snake warriors to serpent warriors, however this is likely going to be claimed by harad, so mumak is probably better.


      Taurethrim is some form of tauredain I expect, beyond that, what is the direct meaning in relation to tauredain?


      "Ritual" dagger - if we are going mayan/aztec, I'm sure we all know that this is for human sacrifice, as such I think that a slight damage nerf would be in order with speed/strength buffs for killing sentient and possibly nonsentient creatures incorporated for sacrifice, bonus points for supping on the blood of a sacrifice.


      Tauredain levy - levy just doesn't sound right to me, perhaps militia would better suit them


      Beyond that, the idea of a "sacrifice" lost in a temple doesn't sound too good, I think that instead a sacrifice stone would work better, serving as a (vanilla) beacon of speed and strength when a POW is sacrificed atop it (yes, when the mayans/aztecs took prisoners that sacrificed them. Deal with it) This however would require the ability to bind enemies, or alternatively one could use hired out slaves. The effect would be temporary, and the graphical change for active is debatable, a corpse probably isn't the best thing, nor is a large blood-stained rock for a parent to look over and see their child comitting pagan rituals, A skull might be able to work, but I'm leaning towards the blood...

      As I understand, the new Tauredain are inspired by the people of the Congo, not the Mayans/Aztecs. Not sure if 'new' means the tauredain that exist after their empire, or the Tauredain after the next update...
      Where did you get this info? 
      Look on the Tauredain faction page in the comments.

      Hmmmm, I'd like to see if this is reflected at all in the next update. Since right now, basically all of the Tauredain resemble mesoamerican culture. The shields, the weapons, the clothing, the habitat...

      I know, I'm just saying what I know.

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    • On a tangent, why is the golden Tauredain armor made of gold? Shouldn't it be gold trimmed, not made of gold?

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    • It will most likely be reflected in the next update. The "Taurethrim" of the mod are actually a Morwaith group with some Taurethrim blood, while the older Taurethrim were far closer to the Limwaith.

      IthilionHeraldry Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë)

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    • Swordsbane wrote:

      Minecraftmage113 wrote:

      Sir Lazuli wrote:
      What warriors should there be?
       
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      The poll was created at 18:16 on November 14, 2017, and so far 26 people voted.
      Potatoplant LazuliShield2 Sir Lazuli, Guardian of the Mountains Come visit! ShovelAndSword Potatoplant
      Consider changing snake warriors to serpent warriors, however this is likely going to be claimed by harad, so mumak is probably better.


      Taurethrim is some form of tauredain I expect, beyond that, what is the direct meaning in relation to tauredain?


      "Ritual" dagger - if we are going mayan/aztec, I'm sure we all know that this is for human sacrifice, as such I think that a slight damage nerf would be in order with speed/strength buffs for killing sentient and possibly nonsentient creatures incorporated for sacrifice, bonus points for supping on the blood of a sacrifice.


      Tauredain levy - levy just doesn't sound right to me, perhaps militia would better suit them


      Beyond that, the idea of a "sacrifice" lost in a temple doesn't sound too good, I think that instead a sacrifice stone would work better, serving as a (vanilla) beacon of speed and strength when a POW is sacrificed atop it (yes, when the mayans/aztecs took prisoners that sacrificed them. Deal with it) This however would require the ability to bind enemies, or alternatively one could use hired out slaves. The effect would be temporary, and the graphical change for active is debatable, a corpse probably isn't the best thing, nor is a large blood-stained rock for a parent to look over and see their child comitting pagan rituals, A skull might be able to work, but I'm leaning towards the blood...

      As I understand, the new Tauredain are inspired by the people of the Congo, not the Mayans/Aztecs. Not sure if 'new' means the tauredain that exist after their empire, or the Tauredain after the next update...

      Its switching to congo now? well, makes sense if we're going off the idea that ME is really just an odd clone of the real world.

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    • Personally I like the Mesoamerican aspects way more than the African aspects, and I hope the mod team doesn’t change it too much. It adds a lot of variety to the faction and there are a lot of opportunities for cool things based on cultures like the Aztecs and Incas.

      Potatoplant LazuliShield2 Sir Lazuli, Guardian of the Mountains Come visit! ShovelAndSword Potatoplant

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    • Sir Lazuli wrote: Personally I like the Mesoamerican aspects way more than the African aspects, and I hope the mod team doesn’t change it too much. It adds a lot of variety to the faction and there are a lot of opportunities for cool things based on cultures like the Aztecs and Incas.

      Potatoplant LazuliShield2 Sir Lazuli, Guardian of the Mountains Come visit! ShovelAndSword Potatoplant

      Wait until you see the African influence on the modern Taurethrim, personally I believe it has great potential for a split culture in a faction, which we haven’t seen before

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    • Swordsbane wrote: On a tangent, why is the golden Tauredain armor made of gold? Shouldn't it be gold trimmed, not made of gold?

      Does no one agree on this? Your all find with armor made of cheese (I know it's not cheese, just saying how weak it is)?

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    • Swordsbane wrote:

      Swordsbane wrote: On a tangent, why is the golden Tauredain armor made of gold? Shouldn't it be gold trimmed, not made of gold?

      Does no one agree on this? Your all find with armor made of cheese (I know it's not cheese, just saying how weak it is)?

      It's not specifically made out of pure gold. It seems pretty obvious that it is indeed gilded instead of solid gold, and anyway, it's uncraftable, so it doesn't matter... Why talk about this here?

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    • You repair it with gold. See an issue?

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    • Swordsbane wrote:

      Swordsbane wrote: On a tangent, why is the golden Tauredain armor made of gold? Shouldn't it be gold trimmed, not made of gold?

      Does no one agree on this? Your all find with armor made of cheese (I know it's not cheese, just saying how weak it is)?

      Cheese doesn't rub off when you press your thumb against it. This would have to be a type of alloy to work at all, and its doubtful it would have ever been used if solid gold just because of how easily it wears down and how heavy it is.

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    • All the ancient stuff will remain Maya-Aztecan, fear not. Since the new Taurethrim are actually mainly Morwaith in ancestry, however, they will become more Congolese, most likely in building style, at least.

      IthilionHeraldry Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë)

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    • Minecraftmage113 wrote:

      Swordsbane wrote:

      Swordsbane wrote: On a tangent, why is the golden Tauredain armor made of gold? Shouldn't it be gold trimmed, not made of gold?

      Does no one agree on this? Your all find with armor made of cheese (I know it's not cheese, just saying how weak it is)?

      Cheese doesn't rub off when you press your thumb against it. This would have to be a type of alloy to work at all, and its doubtful it would have ever been used if solid gold just because of how easily it wears down and how heavy it is.

      Did I say anything about cheese? I'ld think you'ld use gilded iron (or maybe gilded bronze?) to repair it.

      EDIT: er... sorry, I didn't mean cheese, but very weak material.

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    • Rituals, black magic, shamans, slaves, sacrifices... what exactly makes the Tauredain / Taurethrim a good faction? I know that is more or less true to actual Inca or especially Aztec cultures, but aren’t the Tauredain currently a good faction?

      Potatoplant LazuliShield2 Sir Lazuli, Guardian of the Mountains Come visit! ShovelAndSword Potatoplant

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    • Sir Lazuli wrote: Rituals, black magic, shamans, slaves, sacrifices... what exactly makes the Tauredain / Taurethrim a good faction? I know that is more or less true to actual Inca or especially Aztec cultures, but aren’t the Tauredain currently a good faction?

      Potatoplant LazuliShield2 Sir Lazuli, Guardian of the Mountains Come visit! ShovelAndSword Potatoplant

      They oppose Sauron, & there fore are technically 'good'.

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    • Yeah, if ever there were an "antihero" type faction, this would be it.

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    • ElenionoftheFirmament wrote: Yeah, if ever there were an "antihero" type faction, this would be it.

      • cough* cerinrim *cough*

      I definetly agree though, and I like it. I find it interesting to have more gray areas in Middle Earth than the whole Dunland-Rohan scenario.

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    • They aren't a Western faction, that's for sure. Hell, they might even worship some questionably pure deities. But they oppose Sauron, and that's why they're "good".

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    • 213.55.176.162 wrote:

      ElenionoftheFirmament wrote: Yeah, if ever there were an "antihero" type faction, this would be it.

      • cough* cerinrim *cough*

      I definetly agree though, and I like it. I find it interesting to have more gray areas in Middle Earth than the whole Dunland-Rohan scenario.

      The Dunlendings were illeagle immigrants in need of civilization.

      Inkling ShieldHobit, Chief of the Inquisition(Inform me of heretics)

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    • MrHobit1234 wrote:

      213.55.176.162 wrote:

      ElenionoftheFirmament wrote: Yeah, if ever there were an "antihero" type faction, this would be it.

      • cough* cerinrim *cough*

      I definetly agree though, and I like it. I find it interesting to have more gray areas in Middle Earth than the whole Dunland-Rohan scenario.

      The Dunlendings were illeagle immigrants in need of civilization.

      Inkling ShieldHobit, Chief of the Inquisition(Inform me of heretics)

      This shouldn't have degraded into the Tauredain being good/bad, lets not make this completely off topic, please?

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    • So, Dunlendings being good/bad is okay?

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    • It isn’t really off-topic. I was just noticing this suggestion really emphasizes the dark and/or occult features of the civilizations the Taurethrim are based off of instead of a lot of other things I would rather see.

      I know I said I like the things based off of Mesoamerican cultures more than those based off of African ones. I should probably be more clear. I really like the technological advances of those cultures. For example, the city of Tenochitlan with its pyramids, impressive irrigation systems, and farms built on the surface of the lake. Or the city of Chichen Itza with its incredible buildings lined up to coincide with astronomical events. Those civilizations were extremely advanced.

      That being said, they were also extremely evil civilizations with human sacrifice, empires, and all sorts of horrible things. I don’t like those things. I would rather we emphasize the technological advances of those civilizations rather than their evil aspects. That’s just my opinion though.

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    • MrHobit1234 wrote: So, Dunlendings being good/bad is okay?

      Inkling ShieldHobit, Chief of the Inquisition(Inform me of heretics)

      Take it to another thread! Talk there.

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    • Tbh, I hate the whole good vs evil thing. I find there are flaws and good things with almost every side, group, or civilisation, both real and fantasy.

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    • WoodenBox wrote: Tbh, I hate the whole good vs evil thing. I find there are flaws and good things with almost every side, group, or civilisation, both real and fantasy.

      The Lord of the Rings is nothing if you take away good versus evil. Yes, nobody is perfect and everybody has flaws, and there is some good in flawed people (ex. Gollum / Sméagol), but everything is meaningless if there’s no good or evil. The reason the conflicts in The Lord of the Rings resonate is because one side, though very much flawed, stands for all the good and beautiful things in the world, and freedom, while the other fights for destruction, defilement, torment, power, and evil. If you take that away what is the point?

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    • Sir Lazuli wrote:
      It isn’t really off-topic. I was just noticing this suggestion really emphasizes the dark and/or occult features of the civilizations the Taurethrim are based off of instead of a lot of other things I would rather see.

      I know I said I like the things based off of Mesoamerican cultures more than those based off of African ones. I should probably be more clear. I really like the technological advances of those cultures. For example, the city of Tenochitlan with its pyramids, impressive irrigation systems, and farms built on the surface of the lake. Or the city of Chichen Itza with its incredible buildings lined up to coincide with astronomical events. Those civilizations were extremely advanced.

      That being said, they were also extremely evil civilizations with human sacrifice, empires, and all sorts of horrible things. I don’t like those things. I would rather we emphasize the technological advances of those civilizations rather than their evil aspects. That’s just my opinion though.

      Potatoplant LazuliShield2 Sir Lazuli, Guardian of the Mountains Come visit! ShovelAndSword Potatoplant

      I do agree... mostly. It would still be interesting to have hints towards the darker aspects of the culture, but as I kinda stated when putting the idea out there, blatantly saying they had human sacrifice, and having a buff-beacon type thing for it is a little extreme for this. Sure there's warfare, but its the european kind. The central/southern american warfare was very dark, and not many captives really survived to live real lives again. However there is the fact that it gets rid of the idea that all slavery was racially based. It was really only american(US specifically) and very late european.

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    • Sir Lazuli wrote:

      WoodenBox wrote: Tbh, I hate the whole good vs evil thing. I find there are flaws and good things with almost every side, group, or civilisation, both real and fantasy.

      The Lord of the Rings is nothing if you take away good versus evil. Yes, nobody is perfect and everybody has flaws, and there is some good in flawed people (ex. Gollum / Sméagol), but everything is meaningless if there’s no good or evil. The reason the conflicts in The Lord of the Rings resonate is because one side, though very much flawed, stands for all the good and beautiful things in the world, and freedom, while the other fights for destruction, defilement, torment, power, and evil. If you take that away what is the point?

      Potatoplant LazuliShield2 Sir Lazuli, Guardian of the Mountains Come visit! ShovelAndSword Potatoplant

      LOTR is actually one of the only places where I can construct few or none excuses for the evil side. 

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