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  • AlteOgre
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    13:20, March 18, 2019

    I saw that Isengard seems to have basic Troops, I suggest maybe add a Unit type that is a Dunlending but is in Steel armor provided by Isengard like the Guardians of Orthanc in lore. They would look like any other Dunlending by usually wearing Silvery or darkish Steel/ Iron type of armor and carry around Basic iron swords and pikes. Another NPC I would like to be added would be the Trolls of the White hand, in lore Saruman Successfully bred trolls similar to the Olog-Hai and they would look similar buy maybe more Gray/ Brown or White in color of skin, they would use Swords instead of hammers or whatever that weapon Mirk trolls use and would be Armored in a lighter armor type than the Olog armor since the Uruk steel is more based on Iron than Morgul Iron.

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    • When did Saruman breed Trolls exactly? I can't think of a single time this was said in lore.

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    • ​​​​​​If he had them I'm sure he would have brought them along to fight in the Hornburg, it would have been a piece of cake.

      Also, what the heck are the 'Guardians of Orthanc'? Unless you mean normal Uruk's ofc

      Edit:
      Actually, Tolkien Gateway mentions 'Trolls in Isengard' but it appears as if a Rohirrim askes him about said trolls, but I'm sure that as a random warrior/citizen of Rohan, that hasn't ever ventured beyond perhaps Gondor or the Wold, wouldn't know what a troll looked like, and as the Uruk's were of great stature, they would have thought of them as giants, or the 'trolls' he had hard stories of from lands east and north

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    • FenWolf wrote:
       

      ​​​​​​If he had them I'm sure he would have brought them along to fight in the Hornburg, it would have been a piece of cake.

      Also, what the heck are the 'Guardians of Orthanc'? Unless you mean normal Uruk's ofc

      Edit:
      Actually, Tolkien Gateway mentions 'Trolls in Isengard' but it appears as if a Rohirrim askes him about said trolls, but I'm sure that as a random warrior/citizen of Rohan, that hasn't ever ventured beyond perhaps Gondor or the Wold, wouldn't know what a troll looked like, and as the Uruk's were of great stature, they would have thought of them as giants, or the 'trolls' he had hard stories of from lands east and north

      There were no trolls in Isengard. The piece on Tolkien Gateway is under the In Video Games section, and is non-canon.

      Guardians of Orthanc, while I guess OP is basing them on the Total War mods, are in fact canon in some respect. There were men who guarded the gates of Isengard (Saruman did not trust his Orcs), but we aren't told if they were a special unit. It's possible they were.

      However, several Isengard units that should probably be added first due to higher relevance include the longbowmen, the half-orc warriors, dunlending horsemen, half-orc spies, and orc-men axemen.

      Heraldry 2 Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë)IthilionHeraldry

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    • High King Ithilion wrote:
      FenWolf wrote:
       

      ​​​​​​If he had them I'm sure he would have brought them along to fight in the Hornburg, it would have been a piece of cake.

      Also, what the heck are the 'Guardians of Orthanc'? Unless you mean normal Uruk's ofc

      Edit:
      Actually, Tolkien Gateway mentions 'Trolls in Isengard' but it appears as if a Rohirrim askes him about said trolls, but I'm sure that as a random warrior/citizen of Rohan, that hasn't ever ventured beyond perhaps Gondor or the Wold, wouldn't know what a troll looked like, and as the Uruk's were of great stature, they would have thought of them as giants, or the 'trolls' he had hard stories of from lands east and north

      There were no trolls in Isengard. The piece on Tolkien Gateway is under the In Video Games section, and is non-canon.

      Guardians of Orthanc, while I guess OP is basing them on the Total War mods, are in fact canon in some respect. There were men who guarded the gates of Isengard (Saruman did not trust his Orcs), but we aren't told if they were a special unit. It's possible they were.

      However, several Isengard units that should probably be added first due to higher relevance include the longbowmen, the half-orc warriors, dunlending horsemen, half-orc spies, and orc-men axemen.

      Heraldry 2 Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë)IthilionHeraldry

      Longboworcs right? And the horsemen for Dunland...? Why should isengard get spies if there are no other factions with spies?

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    • SteelLord2 wrote:
      High King Ithilion wrote:
      FenWolf wrote:
       

      ​​​​​​If he had them I'm sure he would have brought them along to fight in the Hornburg, it would have been a piece of cake.

      Also, what the heck are the 'Guardians of Orthanc'? Unless you mean normal Uruk's ofc

      Edit:
      Actually, Tolkien Gateway mentions 'Trolls in Isengard' but it appears as if a Rohirrim askes him about said trolls, but I'm sure that as a random warrior/citizen of Rohan, that hasn't ever ventured beyond perhaps Gondor or the Wold, wouldn't know what a troll looked like, and as the Uruk's were of great stature, they would have thought of them as giants, or the 'trolls' he had hard stories of from lands east and north

      There were no trolls in Isengard. The piece on Tolkien Gateway is under the In Video Games section, and is non-canon.

      Guardians of Orthanc, while I guess OP is basing them on the Total War mods, are in fact canon in some respect. There were men who guarded the gates of Isengard (Saruman did not trust his Orcs), but we aren't told if they were a special unit. It's possible they were.

      However, several Isengard units that should probably be added first due to higher relevance include the longbowmen, the half-orc warriors, dunlending horsemen, half-orc spies, and orc-men axemen.

      Heraldry 2 Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë)IthilionHeraldry

      Longboworcs right? And the horsemen for Dunland...? Why should isengard get spies if there are no other factions with spies?

      I don't believe it was stated that Isengard exclusively gets spies, but they were, at the beginning of LotR when this mod takes place, much more hidden. Saruman had ties in Bree, the Shire, Rohan, etc, less outright 'I shall rule all of Arda', which this mod seems to portray.

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    • High King Ithilion wrote:
      FenWolf wrote:
       

      ​​​​​​If he had them I'm sure he would have brought them along to fight in the Hornburg, it would have been a piece of cake.

      Also, what the heck are the 'Guardians of Orthanc'? Unless you mean normal Uruk's ofc

      Edit:
      Actually, Tolkien Gateway mentions 'Trolls in Isengard' but it appears as if a Rohirrim askes him about said trolls, but I'm sure that as a random warrior/citizen of Rohan, that hasn't ever ventured beyond perhaps Gondor or the Wold, wouldn't know what a troll looked like, and as the Uruk's were of great stature, they would have thought of them as giants, or the 'trolls' he had hard stories of from lands east and north

      There were no trolls in Isengard. The piece on Tolkien Gateway is under the In Video Games section, and is non-canon.

      Guardians of Orthanc, while I guess OP is basing them on the Total War mods, are in fact canon in some respect. There were men who guarded the gates of Isengard (Saruman did not trust his Orcs), but we aren't told if they were a special unit. It's possible they were.

      However, several Isengard units that should probably be added first due to higher relevance include the longbowmen, the half-orc warriors, dunlending horsemen, half-orc spies, and orc-men axemen.

      Heraldry 2 Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë)IthilionHeraldry

      Ye, I know that there were no trolls xDDD If he had some I'm 90% he would have brought them to the Hornburg and would have won with literal *ease*

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    • Alright so no trolls, But I think Isengard should still be able to Hire a some sort of Dunlending and/or Human troop and half orcs would be great to replace Snaga's since they are just a copy of a Gundabad Orc.

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    • i really like this idea, armoured men seem good.



      Oreo365, Isengard Council Member

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      07:21, January 15, 2019
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    • I actually like the idea, buuut... yeah. Kinda needs more detail :/ 

      Still, nice suggestion! I do like it. (And while I'm a HUUUGE fan of Total War, yeah, sadly trolls of isengard aren't really canon :/ But, I have a solution for you!

      1. 1) Go to Mordor
      1. 2) Get enough alignment for an olog-hai
      1. 3) Hire an olog-hai, (the kind withOUT a helmet)
      1. 4) Put their squadron as "Isengard Trolls" or "Trolls of Isengard" and there you have it!
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    • AlteOgre
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      10:38, January 16, 2019
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    • FenWolf wrote:

      ​​​​​​If he had them I'm sure he would have brought them along to fight in the Hornburg, it would have been a piece of cake.

      Also, what the heck are the 'Guardians of Orthanc'? Unless you mean normal Uruk's ofc

      Edit:
      Actually, Tolkien Gateway mentions 'Trolls in Isengard' but it appears as if a Rohirrim askes him about said trolls, but I'm sure that as a random warrior/citizen of Rohan, that hasn't ever ventured beyond perhaps Gondor or the Wold, wouldn't know what a troll looked like, and as the Uruk's were of great stature, they would have thought of them as giants, or the 'trolls' he had hard stories of from lands east and north

      Actually Uruks we’re the height of a man so the stature wouldn’t be that impressive.

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