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  • Hi, my name is Rob and I run a server which uses the LOTR Mod.

    On 7th February this year, a Discord user of the name AlteOgre joined my server Discord and reached out to me in direct messaging. He said this:

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    After responding and questioning him on what exactly he meant, he gave me the results of the staff's "clear and unanimous" decision that my page was being removed. Following this he left my Discord server so that I was unable to contact him on Discord and say anything else. I checked the wiki and sure enough, my server page was gone. It also came to my realisation that the staff had just edited the server guidelines on the wiki, adding a rule banning micro-transactions.

    I offer online store items which are very nicely balanced and do not offer game-changingly unfair benefits. I understand that for someone who had never played on my server, they may look pay to win, but this simply is not true.

    Being able to raise funds for the server lets us benefit all players, not just the donators. Because of our donators' goodwill, we are able to run a high-end dedicated server, costing around £90 per month. This would simply be impossible without the donation store, and you seem to ignore the fact that our donations benefit everybody with a fast and smooth, lag-free experience.

    We do our best to compete with the multitude of other servers available, including the official server which of course exerts a large monopoly over the multiplayer community. If players dislike the "pay to win" aspects of the server, they are free to leave and choose from the great variety of servers available. It's as simple as that. Therefore I have an incentive to ensure all donator items are well-balanced, so as to not put off the server's vast non-donator playerbase, and argue that I am achieving this due to the fact that our active playerbase is majority non-donator. This is a self-sustaining economy; if the store is too pay to win, players will be put off and will leave, causing a downwards spiral in the server's health (in terms of playerbase and donations).

    Your intervention does not help anyone. At all.

    Keep in mind that the purpose of intervention is to help rather than hinder.

    Before AlteOgre terminated our primary source of new players, the server had experienced two months of unrivalled activity, regularly hitting a full server of 20+ players. Since the unfortunate event, there was of course a time lag until the noticeable dips in server activity. At present our primary source of new players is our Technic modpack, which is unsustainable for various reasons.

    I know this sounds like a rant, which in many senses it is. However all I wish to do is raise this problem with the community and hopefully convince the staff that their intervention was unnecessary.

    Regards, Rob.

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    • LOTR Survival - correspondence with owner Rob regarding their EULA violation
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    • MilkMC
      MilkMC removed this reply because:
      Just wanted to see what it said.
      15:15, April 17, 2019
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    • So it's been 4 days and all I've heard from Alt ogre is a screenshot of our DM?

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    • I have nothing more to add.

      Apparently nobody else has bothered to discuss this any further as it hasn't been brought up in our Wiki staff / mod team Discord channels until now. Maybe later, idk.

      Is there any specific question you would want me to answer personally?

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    • Do you understand my arguments for why micro transactions should be allowed? Do you agree or disagree? If so, why?

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    • Whether microtransactions are allowed or not is not the issue. The issue is whether or not the mod team and Wiki staff wish to support advertising of servers who practise methods that offer donators pay-to-win perks, and consequently go against the EULA of the game.

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    • AlteOgre
      AlteOgre removed this reply because:
      Trolling.
      06:59, April 22, 2019
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    • If you don't mind me asking how do we reach his server now?

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    • There are many ways for servers to advertise in the minecraft community. This Wiki is by far not the only way for servers and server communities to show off their features.

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    • The server needs to respect the EULA of the game. You may think that Mojang has no juristition power over one minor server or such, this shows that you do not abide within their Terms and Conditions, which may have inavertedly tarnished your server's repeutation and discourage people from joining your server. I would like to know what your microtransactions provide the user.

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    • Yeah, definitely does not comply with the EULA.

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    • The Ranger Malvegil wrote:
      https://lotrsurvival.enjin.com/store

      Holy fuck, you call that "fair and balanced"?

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    • As a player on the server, it may seem unfair but it isn't. the server is well balanced and while they may seem OP the items are not needed. I've gone a year without donating and am leader of a prospering faction and am Happy. If a player doesn't like p2w servers,even if this isn't one, they can choose not to join.

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    • MilkMC
      MilkMC removed this reply because:
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      22:35, May 29, 2019
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    • If Rob can prove that this practice does not break Minecraft's EULA, or he stops offering kits for money, we'll happily un-delete the server page.

      SamwiseFilmore
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