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  • I live in Udûn
  • I was born on September 29
  • My occupation is Orc-enthusiast
  • I am eating Man-flesh.
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|attack strength = 15
 
|attack strength = 15
 
|faction = MORDOR
 
|faction = MORDOR
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|other names =Lúrglosh
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|titles =Maggot-crusher, Slave-master, War-chief of Gorgoroth
|realms =I serve myself, and the Lords far away at the top.
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|realms =I don't rule any lands, but I've got some fine bases to myself, and plenty of Snaga to command.
|weapon =Mace
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|weapon =Anything I can get my claws on.
|mount = Warg
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|mount = Warg, but mostly I march on foot.
 
|race = Common Orc
 
|race = Common Orc
|culture = Orc of Lugbúrz
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|culture = Orc of Lugbúrz, slave to the Eye.
 
|playing since = I've been stalking this mod since the days of the simple Good-Evil alignment bar.|Image = Unnamed Moria Orc-captain.jpg|imagecaption = Ahh, the unorthodox beauty of Orc-kind.}}
 
|playing since = I've been stalking this mod since the days of the simple Good-Evil alignment bar.|Image = Unnamed Moria Orc-captain.jpg|imagecaption = Ahh, the unorthodox beauty of Orc-kind.}}
{{Quote|Trolls live the lumpish life.|J.R.R. Tolkien, probably}}
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{{Quote|Trolls live the lumpish life.|J.R.R. Tolkien, probably.}}
 
OneBehindTheHair will be declared a hero to few and a traitor to most after their infamous assassination of the late revolution leader, <span class="insertusername">you</span>. They will be executed justly, if not humanely.
 
OneBehindTheHair will be declared a hero to few and a traitor to most after their infamous assassination of the late revolution leader, <span class="insertusername">you</span>. They will be executed justly, if not humanely.
   
== About Me, the One Who Hides Behind the Hair ==
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== About Me ==
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* I'm not bald.
 
* I'm building up my collection of Tolkien books. So far, I've gotten and read:
 
* I'm building up my collection of Tolkien books. So far, I've gotten and read:
 
** The Hobbit
 
** The Hobbit
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** Tales from the Perilous Realm
 
** Tales from the Perilous Realm
 
** Unfinished Tales
 
** Unfinished Tales
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** The Children of Húrin
 
** Sadly, I've also got a small collection of David Day's books. At least the art is nice, sometimes.
 
** Sadly, I've also got a small collection of David Day's books. At least the art is nice, sometimes.
* I'm very interested in the Black Speech, so I'm using what little there is as a base to make an expanded debased form.
 
 
* Orcs are fun to draw.
 
* Orcs are fun to draw.
 
* Building is much more fun in the mod than it is in vanilla. Am I good at it? Sort of.
 
* Building is much more fun in the mod than it is in vanilla. Am I good at it? Sort of.
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*'''Man-flesh:''' Food
 
*'''Man-flesh:''' Food
 
*'''Unimplemented Faction:''' I'd very much like to see a diverse Bree, full of friendly folk, but also full of spies and ruffians.
 
*'''Unimplemented Faction:''' I'd very much like to see a diverse Bree, full of friendly folk, but also full of spies and ruffians.
*'''Unimplemented Mob: '''My [https://lotrminecraftmod.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:414415 Pertorogwaith Trolls], and proper, book-accurate Balrogs.
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*'''Unimplemented Mob: '''My [https://lotrminecraftmod.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:414415 Pertorogwaith Trolls], and proper, book-accurate Balrogs. Boldogs would also be pretty cool.
   
 
=== Tolkien Favorites ===
 
=== Tolkien Favorites ===
* '''Character:''' Shagrat
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* '''Character:''' This fluctuates a lot, but it's usually between a few select Orcs: Shagrat, Grishnákh, and Uglúk are usually at the top of my list. Though Shelob's perpetually tied with whoever is currently in first.
* '''Book:''' The Lord of the Rings
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* '''Book:''' The Lord of the Rings, and Unfinished Tales
* '''Language:''' The Black Speech/Orkish, and sometimes Khuzdul.
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* '''Language:''' The Black Speech/Orkish
 
* '''Race:''' The Orcs. Good race? Strangely enough, Hobbits.
 
* '''Race:''' The Orcs. Good race? Strangely enough, Hobbits.
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<font color="#DDCFBF">Which king would the Witch-king kill if the Witch-king could kill kings?</font>
   
 
== Orc Facts ==
 
== Orc Facts ==
Why not? I like Orcs, I like to think I've got a good bit of knowledge on them, so here's a list of trivia about them.
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I like to think I know a lot about Orcs, so here's some stuff about them
* Many should know this already, but the '''Orcs-coming-from-Elves origin was dropped''' by Tolkien after a while. His original intentions were to have them created from underground slime and dirt by Melkor, before he decided that Melkor shouldn't be able to create, only twist and mock, a rule that stays pretty consistent throughout his later work. He then decided that they should be Elves, which the published Silmarillion uses, but he decided he didn't like the idea. His other ideas included them being twisted beasts that were taught to imitate speech, them being corrupted Men (which, although conflicting with the published timeline, would've been made consistent as he reworked the whole Elder Days), them being corrupted Maiar (my least favorite), and a mix of the Men and Elf theories.
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* '''Orcs are good smiths.''' It's pretty common to think that Orcs are terrible smiths, who only make cheap, ineffective armour and weaponry. However, we're told in The Hobbit that they're actually quite clever. They make plenty of weapons and instruments of torture, they're fairly advanced with mechanics compared to other races, and they can even mine as well as any but the best Dwarves.
* '''Orcs may or may not be short-lived.''' Tolkien wrote in a letter that Orcs lived shorter lives than Men (around 60 years or so); however, Bolg lived about 142 years past his father (Azog)'s death, and probably for a good while before that.
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* '''Orcs and Goblins are the same thing.''' This is a very common mistake. Goblins aren't specifically smaller, weaker variants who live in the mountains. "Goblin" is simply the English name for "orc". The Orcs of the Misties are typically smaller than their cousins elsewhere, but they're still Orcs. The Isengarders are introduced as Goblin-soldiers, and are consistently referred to as goblins, and so are the Orcs of Mordor and Moria. The terms are completely synonymous.
* '''A great Orc chieftain in the First Age''' named Boldog may have been several Orcs. Tolkien wrote that the name 'Boldog' may have been a title, used by several Maiar in Orc-forms. No relation to certain canine-breeds.
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* '''Orcs may not have come from Elves.''' Orcs coming from Elves was an old idea that Tolkien abandoned. It's in the published Silmarillion, but Tolkien didn't ''publish'' the Silmarillion. His son had to create the most consistent narrative, and the Elven origin was the easiest to work with. Tolkien's other ideas he chose over Orcs-from-Elves included them coming from Men, being bred from corrupted Maiar, them being soulless automatons, and a mixed origin. It's a tricky subject.
* I'm very unforgiving about this one: '''There is no difference between Orcs and Goblins.''' Orcs are Goblins and Goblins are Orcs. Orcs are not larger than Goblins. Goblins are not more deformed than Orcs. Goblins and Orcs are the same just like Orcs and Yrch are the same. Would you ever say that an Orch is a more agile, less ugly species compared to an Orc or something? Of course not, it's just the Sindarin name and the Old English name (representing Westron/Rohirric). Goblin is English. Even the Uruk-hai of Isengard are sometime referred to as Goblins.
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* '''Orcs aren't immortal.''' I think this one's mostly a misconception because of how popular Orcs-from-Elves is. Whatever their origin, they don't live forever. They're even short-lived to the "Men of higher race, such as the Edain". There did ''seem'' to be a few Orc-chieftains who lived much longer than their lesser brethren, but these may actually have been Maiar in Orc-form.
* '''Orcs are gigantic hypocrites''' in many cases. They perceive Elves in an extremely negative light, calling abandoning an injured ally a typical Elvish trick (despite laughing about leaving a web-bound Orc to Shelob's mercy); The Mordor Orcs claim the Isengarders eat Orc-flesh, an insult which starts a violent skirmish, but Shagrat has no qualms about threatening both Gorbag and Snaga with being eaten, and licks the former's blood off his knife after stabbing him in the throat.
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* '''Elves only take prisoners for "amusement", or to eat.''' At least, this was what the Orcs were taught to believe. In another case, Shagrat thinks leaving an ally to die is a regular Elvish trick. There's some classic Orc-hypocrisy here, though; the Orcs themselves would eat their prisoners in need, for example. We know how the Orcs pleasure in cruelty towards captives. Moments after deriding Elves for their faithlessness, Shagrat talks about a time when he left a fellow Orc, Ufthak, to Shelob's mercy. "How we laughed!"
* '''Orcs of the First Age seem to use Elvish (Gnomish, more accurately)-derived names''' in earlier texts. Listed among the Orcs that Tuor killed at the Fall of Gondolin are Balcmeg, Orcobal, Othrod, and Lug (apparently coming from the Gnomish word for 'snake', unrelated to the Black Speech word for 'prison', or 'fortress'.).
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* '''Orcs, like General Grievous, are shorter than you expected.''' A huge Orc-chieftain is only nearly Man-height. Frodo and Sam are able to disguise themselves as Orcs in Mordor without height being an issue. Gimli finds the Dunlendings too tall for him, but has no problem cleaving Uruk-throats. It's very unlikely there were any Orcs that would ever come anywhere close to Azog's height in the movies.
* '''Orcs seem to have dark blood.''' And Trolls are described as having black blood, for that matter. In the case of Trolls, it seems to be very hot: it smokes when it hits the ground, and the axe Húrin used to fight off a great number of Trolls melted after he killed 70 of their number. ''Aure entuluva!''
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* '''There are female Orcs,''' and Orcs breed like any other race. There's nothing like the slime pits in the films, outside of very early drafts of the Fall of Gondolin. Orcs aren't cloned, they don't grow from spores, they aren't planted like potatoes. They also aren't all captured Elves, if any of them ever were: whatever they were originally bred from, it probably only lasted for the first generation.
* '''The Orcs eat their prisoners,''' unless they're sold as slaves or ordered to be kept alive for the time being. They might also keep a prisoner alive for... amusement.
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* '''Typically, Orcs favoured scimitars in battle.''' They also used other weapons of course, but the scimitar seems to be their most popular choice. That said, the Isengarders were noted for using "short, broad-bladed swords," and gear taken from the dead Orcs in the Tower of Cirith Ungol included a "broad-bladed stabbing sword." For ranged weapons, Orcs are mentioned using bows made of horn several times, although the Isengarders used long bows made from yew, like Men.
* '''Orcs are very short.''' Frodo and Sam are able to pass as Orcs despite their height, and the 'huge' Moria chieftain that spears Frodo is said to only be almost Man-height. Grishnákh, an Orc captain straight from Barad-dûr, makes up for his height in strength, being able to carry both Merry and Pippin for a short distance.
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* '''Sauron bred Uruk-hai long before Saruman.''' In T.A. 2475, Sauron's forces, including the new breed of Uruks, sieged and took Osgiliath. Contrast this with Saruman's Orcs, who he only began breeding in T.A. 2990. Now, while there do seem to be some differences between the breeds in Mordor and in Isengard - Saruman's Uruks were larger and stronger, for instance - the terms "Uruks" and "Uruk-hai" are as synonymous as "Goblins" and "Orcs". "Uruk-hai" is a Black Speech term, roughly meaning "Uruk (a larger, stronger Orc warrior)-folk", while "Uruks" is simply the anglicized form.
* '''Orc females do exist,''' and Orcs reproduce just like anyone else. Gollum is mentioned having eaten a young Orc just before losing the Ring. Also, Balrogs don't have wings.
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* '''Orcs aren't completely cannibalistic.''' The Isengarders take an accusation of cannibalism as a huge insult, killing at least three other Orcs before being calmed down. On the other hand, Shagrat threatens both Gorbag and Snaga with being eaten later on, and licks Gorbag's blood off his knife after driving it into his enemy's throat.
* '''The Orcs didn't really have a singular language.''' There were as many variants of Orkish as there were tribes. Sauron designed the Black Speech in the Second Age, intending it to be the sole language of his servants, but they just started debasing it until it was just another Orkish dialect. When Sauron rose again in the Third Age, he apparently made it the language of all his captains again. The people who could consistently understand it were the Nazgûl, presumably the Black Númenóreans in Mordor, and the Olog-hai (it was the only language they knew).
 
* '''Orcs are actually good smiths.''' Their armour and weapons are crude, but effective; so while there wouldn't be any aesthetics (other than the ugly ones), and the equipment may be covered in rust and filth, they'd still be good enough to match your average Dwarf. Think well-made, but not well-kept.
 
* Some people wonder how Orcs in the films knew about menus. Well, in the books they mention picnics.
 
<font color="#DDCFBF">Which king would the Witch-king kill if the Witch-king could kill kings?</font>
 
 
[[File:Dol_Guldur_Shield.png|25px]] <span style="font-family:Georgia; background-color:#25140f; border:6px ridge #615e5d">'''[[User:OneBehindTheHair|<font color="#794044">Scholar of the Black Tongue</font>]]''' '''<sup>[[Message_Wall:OneBehindTheHair|<font color="#B1312E">Fash ush-u, <span class="insertusername">Snaga</span>!</font>]]</sup>'''</span> [[File:Evil_Contest_Shield.png|35px]]
 

Latest revision as of 20:11, March 4, 2020

Trolls live the lumpish life.

–J.R.R. Tolkien, probably.

OneBehindTheHair will be declared a hero to few and a traitor to most after their infamous assassination of the late revolution leader, you. They will be executed justly, if not humanely.

About Me Edit

  • I'm not bald.
  • I'm building up my collection of Tolkien books. So far, I've gotten and read:
    • The Hobbit
    • Lord of the Rings
    • The Silmarillion
    • Beren and Lúthien
    • Fall of Gondolin
    • The Adventures of Tom Bombadil
    • Tales from the Perilous Realm
    • Unfinished Tales
    • The Children of Húrin
    • Sadly, I've also got a small collection of David Day's books. At least the art is nice, sometimes.
  • Orcs are fun to draw.
  • Building is much more fun in the mod than it is in vanilla. Am I good at it? Sort of.
  • I've travelled to Meneltarma on the Official Server in a barrel. I learned that I really, really love the mod's night sky. This song helped keep the trip interesting.
  • According to the first website that came up when I searched 'Myers-Briggs personality test', my personality type is Logician (INTP-A).

Mod FavoritesEdit

  • Faction: Mordor and Gundabad, although I'm also partial to the Half-trolls.
  • Mob: Half-troll, or Hill-troll
  • Armour: Black Uruk
  • Weapon: Ringil (Yeah, yeah, I can like Good stuff too)
  • Biome: Umbar
  • Sound: The Orc Bombardier's "Ghâsh!" And the Troll grunt.
  • Man-flesh: Food
  • Unimplemented Faction: I'd very much like to see a diverse Bree, full of friendly folk, but also full of spies and ruffians.
  • Unimplemented Mob: My Pertorogwaith Trolls, and proper, book-accurate Balrogs. Boldogs would also be pretty cool.

Tolkien Favorites Edit

  • Character: This fluctuates a lot, but it's usually between a few select Orcs: Shagrat, Grishnákh, and Uglúk are usually at the top of my list. Though Shelob's perpetually tied with whoever is currently in first.
  • Book: The Lord of the Rings, and Unfinished Tales
  • Language: The Black Speech/Orkish
  • Race: The Orcs. Good race? Strangely enough, Hobbits.

Which king would the Witch-king kill if the Witch-king could kill kings?

Orc Facts Edit

I like to think I know a lot about Orcs, so here's some stuff about them

  • Orcs are good smiths. It's pretty common to think that Orcs are terrible smiths, who only make cheap, ineffective armour and weaponry. However, we're told in The Hobbit that they're actually quite clever. They make plenty of weapons and instruments of torture, they're fairly advanced with mechanics compared to other races, and they can even mine as well as any but the best Dwarves.
  • Orcs and Goblins are the same thing. This is a very common mistake. Goblins aren't specifically smaller, weaker variants who live in the mountains. "Goblin" is simply the English name for "orc". The Orcs of the Misties are typically smaller than their cousins elsewhere, but they're still Orcs. The Isengarders are introduced as Goblin-soldiers, and are consistently referred to as goblins, and so are the Orcs of Mordor and Moria. The terms are completely synonymous.
  • Orcs may not have come from Elves. Orcs coming from Elves was an old idea that Tolkien abandoned. It's in the published Silmarillion, but Tolkien didn't publish the Silmarillion. His son had to create the most consistent narrative, and the Elven origin was the easiest to work with. Tolkien's other ideas he chose over Orcs-from-Elves included them coming from Men, being bred from corrupted Maiar, them being soulless automatons, and a mixed origin. It's a tricky subject.
  • Orcs aren't immortal. I think this one's mostly a misconception because of how popular Orcs-from-Elves is. Whatever their origin, they don't live forever. They're even short-lived to the "Men of higher race, such as the Edain". There did seem to be a few Orc-chieftains who lived much longer than their lesser brethren, but these may actually have been Maiar in Orc-form.
  • Elves only take prisoners for "amusement", or to eat. At least, this was what the Orcs were taught to believe. In another case, Shagrat thinks leaving an ally to die is a regular Elvish trick. There's some classic Orc-hypocrisy here, though; the Orcs themselves would eat their prisoners in need, for example. We know how the Orcs pleasure in cruelty towards captives. Moments after deriding Elves for their faithlessness, Shagrat talks about a time when he left a fellow Orc, Ufthak, to Shelob's mercy. "How we laughed!"
  • Orcs, like General Grievous, are shorter than you expected. A huge Orc-chieftain is only nearly Man-height. Frodo and Sam are able to disguise themselves as Orcs in Mordor without height being an issue. Gimli finds the Dunlendings too tall for him, but has no problem cleaving Uruk-throats. It's very unlikely there were any Orcs that would ever come anywhere close to Azog's height in the movies.
  • There are female Orcs, and Orcs breed like any other race. There's nothing like the slime pits in the films, outside of very early drafts of the Fall of Gondolin. Orcs aren't cloned, they don't grow from spores, they aren't planted like potatoes. They also aren't all captured Elves, if any of them ever were: whatever they were originally bred from, it probably only lasted for the first generation.
  • Typically, Orcs favoured scimitars in battle. They also used other weapons of course, but the scimitar seems to be their most popular choice. That said, the Isengarders were noted for using "short, broad-bladed swords," and gear taken from the dead Orcs in the Tower of Cirith Ungol included a "broad-bladed stabbing sword." For ranged weapons, Orcs are mentioned using bows made of horn several times, although the Isengarders used long bows made from yew, like Men.
  • Sauron bred Uruk-hai long before Saruman. In T.A. 2475, Sauron's forces, including the new breed of Uruks, sieged and took Osgiliath. Contrast this with Saruman's Orcs, who he only began breeding in T.A. 2990. Now, while there do seem to be some differences between the breeds in Mordor and in Isengard - Saruman's Uruks were larger and stronger, for instance - the terms "Uruks" and "Uruk-hai" are as synonymous as "Goblins" and "Orcs". "Uruk-hai" is a Black Speech term, roughly meaning "Uruk (a larger, stronger Orc warrior)-folk", while "Uruks" is simply the anglicized form.
  • Orcs aren't completely cannibalistic. The Isengarders take an accusation of cannibalism as a huge insult, killing at least three other Orcs before being calmed down. On the other hand, Shagrat threatens both Gorbag and Snaga with being eaten later on, and licks Gorbag's blood off his knife after driving it into his enemy's throat.
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